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		<title>By: eVxz.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-474459</link>
		<dc:creator>eVxz.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Skype Groans &#38; SIPphone Gains&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It has been a day from hell for Skype fans and Skype, the company. The outages have impacted many. Skype' s misfortune turned out to be a boon for SIPphone. The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning,...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Skype Groans &#38; SIPphone Gains</strong></p>
<p>It has been a day from hell for Skype fans and Skype, the company. The outages have impacted many. Skype&#8217; s misfortune turned out to be a boon for SIPphone. The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: On the internet, everyone can hear you scream at Matt Croydon::Postneo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-468562</link>
		<dc:creator>On the internet, everyone can hear you scream at Matt Croydon::Postneo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] have one and only one chance to get it right. You&#8217;re never more than one power outage, one service outage, one information breach, bad decision, misstep, misquote, or mess up away from loosing your [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have one and only one chance to get it right. You&#8217;re never more than one power outage, one service outage, one information breach, bad decision, misstep, misquote, or mess up away from loosing your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A P2P Failure for the History Books! &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-467974</link>
		<dc:creator>A P2P Failure for the History Books! &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] goes to Om Malik and Julian Cain for providing insight into the technical issues that crushed Skype on August 16. Skype uses Distributed Hash Table (DHT) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] goes to Om Malik and Julian Cain for providing insight into the technical issues that crushed Skype on August 16. Skype uses Distributed Hash Table (DHT) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scalable web architectures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Skype network handles scalability..</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-465714</link>
		<dc:creator>Scalable web architectures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Skype network handles scalability..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] One of the best technical description of the problem (which might be a speculation as well) is here. Regardless of whether this is the real cause or not, I found it interesting because it describes [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the best technical description of the problem (which might be a speculation as well) is here. Regardless of whether this is the real cause or not, I found it interesting because it describes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Il blackout di Skype, la colpa è degli aggiornamenti Microsoft? &#124; VoipBlog.it</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-465418</link>
		<dc:creator>Il blackout di Skype, la colpa è degli aggiornamenti Microsoft? &#124; VoipBlog.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] momento per così tanti utenti? Un&#8217;altra possibilità, come suggerito da un esperto nei commenti ad un post su Gigaom, è che ad abbandonare simultanamente la rete Skype, oltre ai PC di molti [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] momento per così tanti utenti? Un&#8217;altra possibilità, come suggerito da un esperto nei commenti ad un post su Gigaom, è che ad abbandonare simultanamente la rete Skype, oltre ai PC di molti [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GigaOM Skype Tells Us What Happened &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-464991</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM Skype Tells Us What Happened &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] this relationship between 50-odd authentication servers and supernodes and also a weak link. (Full explanation is here.)     Share This  &#124; Sphere &#124;  Topic: Voice [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this relationship between 50-odd authentication servers and supernodes and also a weak link. (Full explanation is here.)     Share This  | Sphere |  Topic: Voice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Skype oficiálně</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-464869</link>
		<dc:creator>Skype oficiálně</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] zajímavý komentář Julian Caina It is a huge cycle, no matter how many bugs they “fix” in the “central [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] zajímavý komentář Julian Caina It is a huge cycle, no matter how many bugs they “fix” in the “central [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458794</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Skype Aftermath Technical analysis&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://digg.com/software/Skype_Aftermath_Technical_analysis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skype Aftermath Technical analysis</p>
<p> (<a href="http://digg.com/software/Skype_Aftermath_Technical_analysis" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458753</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I am monitoring the Skype network "heal" itself the results are not near perfect. The "Distributed Data Store(see DHT)" is way behind. I am still receiving messages that are 24 hours late and my contact list(s) are not in "sync". This so called "resilient network" is starting to make shape. If you are not "in the know" then please see my other writing about this outage. Here is what really happened:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;•   Skype employees introduced code into the "login/connectivty" server farm that was not compatible with current Skype clients "see Morpheus getting booted from (fasttrack). 
•   This is a single point of failure even in the masses of 9,000,00 concurrent users.
•   This is a single point of failure for ~220,000,000 users.
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Question:
    •   Why did resolution take so long and is still ongoing?
    •
Answer:
    •   Skype uses a Peer to Peer topology. This consists of Supernodes which maintain a "DHT" type layer between other Supernodes. This data is routed down to their Children (300 - 500 at any one time).
    •   The "DHT Type" layer is responsible for presence, avatars(icons) and above all "Call Routing".
    •   Child nodes do not know of this such layer thus they depend on Supernodes.
    •   If a Supernode goes offline then all Children are cut off until they find another Supernode.
Avoidance:
    •   If child nodes knew about the upper layer at any point then this would be more resilient to outage because they are not dependent on Supernodes.
    •   Local Discovery: If Skype had a layer that made local availabilty to all users then in an office environment Skypers would be able to locate each other without the need of a Supernode. ("this excludes Bonjour as it does not relay local node cache").
    •   Login failures.. This is pure redundancy("central servers") however Skype had this in place, but it failed because they input flawed code that was not assuring complete SSL based authentication.
    •   Skype Employees need to come clean and stop blaming this on "very old" bugs, test before you release, surely there is a test bed???
End:
    •   Skype is currently re-creating it's decentralized network from scratch, from the end user to the Supernode users to the entire "distributed index". This is done over UDP and takes some time so do not trust the following until the network is again stable:
    •   Prescence
    •   Profiles, this includes avatars.
    •   Contact list, yes you may see people that you blocked, give it time to heal.
    •   Stability, connections may continue to drop because your Supernode went offline and your local cache is no "doing it's job".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Summary:
    •   Decentrilzed networks like Skype are subject to global outage the same as Kazaa and possibly Joost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take Care&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;~Julian Cain&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jolix (at) mac (dot) com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>While I am monitoring the Skype network &#8220;heal&#8221; itself the results are not near perfect. The &#8220;Distributed Data Store(see DHT)&#8221; is way behind. I am still receiving messages that are 24 hours late and my contact list(s) are not in &#8220;sync&#8221;. This so called &#8220;resilient network&#8221; is starting to make shape. If you are not &#8220;in the know&#8221; then please see my other writing about this outage. Here is what really happened:</p>
<pre><code>•   Skype employees introduced code into the "login/connectivty" server farm that was not compatible with current Skype clients "see Morpheus getting booted from (fasttrack).
•   This is a single point of failure even in the masses of 9,000,00 concurrent users.
•   This is a single point of failure for ~220,000,000 users.
</code></pre>
<p>Question:<br />
    •   Why did resolution take so long and is still ongoing?<br />
    •<br />
Answer:<br />
    •   Skype uses a Peer to Peer topology. This consists of Supernodes which maintain a &#8220;DHT&#8221; type layer between other Supernodes. This data is routed down to their Children (300 - 500 at any one time).<br />
    •   The &#8220;DHT Type&#8221; layer is responsible for presence, avatars(icons) and above all &#8220;Call Routing&#8221;.<br />
    •   Child nodes do not know of this such layer thus they depend on Supernodes.<br />
    •   If a Supernode goes offline then all Children are cut off until they find another Supernode.<br />
Avoidance:<br />
    •   If child nodes knew about the upper layer at any point then this would be more resilient to outage because they are not dependent on Supernodes.<br />
    •   Local Discovery: If Skype had a layer that made local availabilty to all users then in an office environment Skypers would be able to locate each other without the need of a Supernode. (&#8221;this excludes Bonjour as it does not relay local node cache&#8221;).<br />
    •   Login failures.. This is pure redundancy(&#8221;central servers&#8221;) however Skype had this in place, but it failed because they input flawed code that was not assuring complete SSL based authentication.<br />
    •   Skype Employees need to come clean and stop blaming this on &#8220;very old&#8221; bugs, test before you release, surely there is a test bed???<br />
End:<br />
    •   Skype is currently re-creating it&#8217;s decentralized network from scratch, from the end user to the Supernode users to the entire &#8220;distributed index&#8221;. This is done over UDP and takes some time so do not trust the following until the network is again stable:<br />
    •   Prescence<br />
    •   Profiles, this includes avatars.<br />
    •   Contact list, yes you may see people that you blocked, give it time to heal.<br />
    •   Stability, connections may continue to drop because your Supernode went offline and your local cache is no &#8220;doing it&#8217;s job&#8221;.</p>
<p>Summary:<br />
    •   Decentrilzed networks like Skype are subject to global outage the same as Kazaa and possibly Joost.</p>
<p>Take Care</p>
<p>~Julian Cain</p>
<p>jolix (at) mac (dot) com</p>
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		<title>By: Clear Blue Dei ~~~~~~~ Web 2.0 and a little more &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skype - It&#8217;s not the Outage, It&#8217;s How They Handled It.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458282</link>
		<dc:creator>Clear Blue Dei ~~~~~~~ Web 2.0 and a little more &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skype - It&#8217;s not the Outage, It&#8217;s How They Handled It.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to GigaOm&#8217;s post on Skype Groans and SIPhone Gains: &#8220;The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning, with 4 times increase in sales, [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to GigaOm&#8217;s post on Skype Groans and SIPhone Gains: &#8220;The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning, with 4 times increase in sales, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-458171</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The next question is "What about Joost?". Derived technology with derived flaws. Lets see how long Joost goes without a worldwide outage. I am currently reviewing the Joost network architecture and will soon release a more in depth article of the relationships between Kazaa(fastrack), Skype and Joost.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next question is &#8220;What about Joost?&#8221;. Derived technology with derived flaws. Lets see how long Joost goes without a worldwide outage. I am currently reviewing the Joost network architecture and will soon release a more in depth article of the relationships between Kazaa(fastrack), Skype and Joost.</p>
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		<title>By: askbusinesscoach</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-457930</link>
		<dc:creator>askbusinesscoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just when we all are looking to dump land lines.  You
know those old reliable copper/fiber things that worked on 9/11 when nothing else did. I guess the question here is how do we really get to redundancy &#38; security perfection?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when we all are looking to dump land lines.  You<br />
know those old reliable copper/fiber things that worked on 9/11 when nothing else did. I guess the question here is how do we really get to redundancy &amp; security perfection?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-456962</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Julian Cain also worked for Kazaa and Sharman  Networks for a short while as their Mac developer he now works for Pando so he definitely knows how the system works .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I remember this was also a Issue when Sharman  locked unofficial clients out a few years back .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian Cain also worked for Kazaa and Sharman  Networks for a short while as their Mac developer he now works for Pando so he definitely knows how the system works .</p>
<p>If I remember this was also a Issue when Sharman  locked unofficial clients out a few years back .</p>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-456920</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm...I'd have to say I'll be considering looking for a backup provider, just in case Skype fails again.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;ll be considering looking for a backup provider, just in case Skype fails again.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-456899</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be funny if the Skype network cannot rebuild itself from scratch at its current scale.  Perhaps the stability of a week ago was only achieved by its gradual growth trajectory over preceding years.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be funny if the Skype network cannot rebuild itself from scratch at its current scale.  Perhaps the stability of a week ago was only achieved by its gradual growth trajectory over preceding years.</p>
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