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		<title>By: eVxz.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Skype Groans &amp; SIPphone Gains&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It has been a day from hell for Skype fans and Skype, the company. The outages have impacted many. Skype&#039; s misfortune turned out to be a boon for SIPphone. The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning,...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Skype Groans &#38; SIPphone Gains</strong></p>
<p>It has been a day from hell for Skype fans and Skype, the company. The outages have impacted many. Skype&#8217; s misfortune turned out to be a boon for SIPphone. The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: On the internet, everyone can hear you scream at Matt Croydon::Postneo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On the internet, everyone can hear you scream at Matt Croydon::Postneo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] have one and only one chance to get it right. You&#8217;re never more than one power outage, one service outage, one information breach, bad decision, misstep, misquote, or mess up away from loosing your [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have one and only one chance to get it right. You&#8217;re never more than one power outage, one service outage, one information breach, bad decision, misstep, misquote, or mess up away from loosing your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A P2P Failure for the History Books! &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177977</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A P2P Failure for the History Books! &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] goes to Om Malik and Julian Cain for providing insight into the technical issues that crushed Skype on August 16. Skype uses Distributed Hash Table (DHT) [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] goes to Om Malik and Julian Cain for providing insight into the technical issues that crushed Skype on August 16. Skype uses Distributed Hash Table (DHT) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scalable web architectures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Skype network handles scalability..</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scalable web architectures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Skype network handles scalability..]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] One of the best technical description of the problem (which might be a speculation as well) is here. Regardless of whether this is the real cause or not, I found it interesting because it describes [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the best technical description of the problem (which might be a speculation as well) is here. Regardless of whether this is the real cause or not, I found it interesting because it describes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Il blackout di Skype, la colpa è degli aggiornamenti Microsoft? &#124; VoipBlog.it</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Il blackout di Skype, la colpa è degli aggiornamenti Microsoft? &#124; VoipBlog.it]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] momento per così tanti utenti? Un&#8217;altra possibilità, come suggerito da un esperto nei commenti ad un post su Gigaom, è che ad abbandonare simultanamente la rete Skype, oltre ai PC di molti [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] momento per così tanti utenti? Un&#8217;altra possibilità, come suggerito da un esperto nei commenti ad un post su Gigaom, è che ad abbandonare simultanamente la rete Skype, oltre ai PC di molti [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GigaOM Skype Tells Us What Happened &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GigaOM Skype Tells Us What Happened &#171;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] this relationship between 50-odd authentication servers and supernodes and also a weak link. (Full explanation is here.)     Share This  &#124; Sphere &#124;  Topic: Voice [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this relationship between 50-odd authentication servers and supernodes and also a weak link. (Full explanation is here.)     Share This  | Sphere |  Topic: Voice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Skype oficiálně</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177973</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skype oficiálně]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] zajímavý komentář Julian Caina It is a huge cycle, no matter how many bugs they “fix” in the “central [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] zajímavý komentář Julian Caina It is a huge cycle, no matter how many bugs they “fix” in the “central [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Cain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Skype Aftermath Technical analysis&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://digg.com/software/Skype_Aftermath_Technical_analysis&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skype Aftermath Technical analysis</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/software/Skype_Aftermath_Technical_analysis" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/software/Skype_Aftermath_Technical_analysis</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Cain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;All,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I am monitoring the Skype network &quot;heal&quot; itself the results are not near perfect. The &quot;Distributed Data Store(see DHT)&quot; is way behind. I am still receiving messages that are 24 hours late and my contact list(s) are not in &quot;sync&quot;. This so called &quot;resilient network&quot; is starting to make shape. If you are not &quot;in the know&quot; then please see my other writing about this outage. Here is what really happened:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;•   Skype employees introduced code into the &quot;login/connectivty&quot; server farm that was not compatible with current Skype clients &quot;see Morpheus getting booted from (fasttrack).
•   This is a single point of failure even in the masses of 9,000,00 concurrent users.
•   This is a single point of failure for ~220,000,000 users.
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Question:
    •   Why did resolution take so long and is still ongoing?
    •
Answer:
    •   Skype uses a Peer to Peer topology. This consists of Supernodes which maintain a &quot;DHT&quot; type layer between other Supernodes. This data is routed down to their Children (300 - 500 at any one time).
    •   The &quot;DHT Type&quot; layer is responsible for presence, avatars(icons) and above all &quot;Call Routing&quot;.
    •   Child nodes do not know of this such layer thus they depend on Supernodes.
    •   If a Supernode goes offline then all Children are cut off until they find another Supernode.
Avoidance:
    •   If child nodes knew about the upper layer at any point then this would be more resilient to outage because they are not dependent on Supernodes.
    •   Local Discovery: If Skype had a layer that made local availabilty to all users then in an office environment Skypers would be able to locate each other without the need of a Supernode. (&quot;this excludes Bonjour as it does not relay local node cache&quot;).
    •   Login failures.. This is pure redundancy(&quot;central servers&quot;) however Skype had this in place, but it failed because they input flawed code that was not assuring complete SSL based authentication.
    •   Skype Employees need to come clean and stop blaming this on &quot;very old&quot; bugs, test before you release, surely there is a test bed???
End:
    •   Skype is currently re-creating it&#039;s decentralized network from scratch, from the end user to the Supernode users to the entire &quot;distributed index&quot;. This is done over UDP and takes some time so do not trust the following until the network is again stable:
    •   Prescence
    •   Profiles, this includes avatars.
    •   Contact list, yes you may see people that you blocked, give it time to heal.
    •   Stability, connections may continue to drop because your Supernode went offline and your local cache is no &quot;doing it&#039;s job&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Summary:
    •   Decentrilzed networks like Skype are subject to global outage the same as Kazaa and possibly Joost.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take Care&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;~Julian Cain&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jolix (at) mac (dot) com&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All,</p>
<p>While I am monitoring the Skype network &#8220;heal&#8221; itself the results are not near perfect. The &#8220;Distributed Data Store(see DHT)&#8221; is way behind. I am still receiving messages that are 24 hours late and my contact list(s) are not in &#8220;sync&#8221;. This so called &#8220;resilient network&#8221; is starting to make shape. If you are not &#8220;in the know&#8221; then please see my other writing about this outage. Here is what really happened:</p>
<pre><code>•   Skype employees introduced code into the "login/connectivty" server farm that was not compatible with current Skype clients "see Morpheus getting booted from (fasttrack).
•   This is a single point of failure even in the masses of 9,000,00 concurrent users.
•   This is a single point of failure for ~220,000,000 users.
</code></pre>
<p>Question:<br />
    •   Why did resolution take so long and is still ongoing?<br />
    •<br />
Answer:<br />
    •   Skype uses a Peer to Peer topology. This consists of Supernodes which maintain a &#8220;DHT&#8221; type layer between other Supernodes. This data is routed down to their Children (300 &#8211; 500 at any one time).<br />
    •   The &#8220;DHT Type&#8221; layer is responsible for presence, avatars(icons) and above all &#8220;Call Routing&#8221;.<br />
    •   Child nodes do not know of this such layer thus they depend on Supernodes.<br />
    •   If a Supernode goes offline then all Children are cut off until they find another Supernode.<br />
Avoidance:<br />
    •   If child nodes knew about the upper layer at any point then this would be more resilient to outage because they are not dependent on Supernodes.<br />
    •   Local Discovery: If Skype had a layer that made local availabilty to all users then in an office environment Skypers would be able to locate each other without the need of a Supernode. (&#8220;this excludes Bonjour as it does not relay local node cache&#8221;).<br />
    •   Login failures.. This is pure redundancy(&#8220;central servers&#8221;) however Skype had this in place, but it failed because they input flawed code that was not assuring complete SSL based authentication.<br />
    •   Skype Employees need to come clean and stop blaming this on &#8220;very old&#8221; bugs, test before you release, surely there is a test bed???<br />
End:<br />
    •   Skype is currently re-creating it&#8217;s decentralized network from scratch, from the end user to the Supernode users to the entire &#8220;distributed index&#8221;. This is done over UDP and takes some time so do not trust the following until the network is again stable:<br />
    •   Prescence<br />
    •   Profiles, this includes avatars.<br />
    •   Contact list, yes you may see people that you blocked, give it time to heal.<br />
    •   Stability, connections may continue to drop because your Supernode went offline and your local cache is no &#8220;doing it&#8217;s job&#8221;.</p>
<p>Summary:<br />
    •   Decentrilzed networks like Skype are subject to global outage the same as Kazaa and possibly Joost.</p>
<p>Take Care</p>
<p>~Julian Cain</p>
<p>jolix (at) mac (dot) com</p>
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		<title>By: Clear Blue Dei ~~~~~~~ Web 2.0 and a little more &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skype - It&#8217;s not the Outage, It&#8217;s How They Handled It.</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clear Blue Dei ~~~~~~~ Web 2.0 and a little more &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Skype - It&#8217;s not the Outage, It&#8217;s How They Handled It.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] to GigaOm&#8217;s post on Skype Groans and SIPhone Gains: &#8220;The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning, with 4 times increase in sales, [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to GigaOm&#8217;s post on Skype Groans and SIPhone Gains: &#8220;The company saw a 400% increase in traffic this morning, with 4 times increase in sales, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Cain</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177969</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian Cain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The next question is &quot;What about Joost?&quot;. Derived technology with derived flaws. Lets see how long Joost goes without a worldwide outage. I am currently reviewing the Joost network architecture and will soon release a more in depth article of the relationships between Kazaa(fastrack), Skype and Joost.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next question is &#8220;What about Joost?&#8221;. Derived technology with derived flaws. Lets see how long Joost goes without a worldwide outage. I am currently reviewing the Joost network architecture and will soon release a more in depth article of the relationships between Kazaa(fastrack), Skype and Joost.</p>
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		<title>By: askbusinesscoach</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[askbusinesscoach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Just when we all are looking to dump land lines.  You
know those old reliable copper/fiber things that worked on 9/11 when nothing else did. I guess the question here is how do we really get to redundancy &amp; security perfection?&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when we all are looking to dump land lines.  You<br />
know those old reliable copper/fiber things that worked on 9/11 when nothing else did. I guess the question here is how do we really get to redundancy &amp; security perfection?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Julian Cain also worked for Kazaa and Sharman  Networks for a short while as their Mac developer he now works for Pando so he definitely knows how the system works .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I remember this was also a Issue when Sharman  locked unofficial clients out a few years back .&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian Cain also worked for Kazaa and Sharman  Networks for a short while as their Mac developer he now works for Pando so he definitely knows how the system works .</p>
<p>If I remember this was also a Issue when Sharman  locked unofficial clients out a few years back .</p>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Mackey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hmmm...I&#039;d have to say I&#039;ll be considering looking for a backup provider, just in case Skype fails again.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;I&#8217;d have to say I&#8217;ll be considering looking for a backup provider, just in case Skype fails again.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/16/skype-groans-sipphone-gains/#comment-177965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;It would be funny if the Skype network cannot rebuild itself from scratch at its current scale.  Perhaps the stability of a week ago was only achieved by its gradual growth trajectory over preceding years.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be funny if the Skype network cannot rebuild itself from scratch at its current scale.  Perhaps the stability of a week ago was only achieved by its gradual growth trajectory over preceding years.</p>
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