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		<title>By: Tropos Tries To Reinvent Itself, This Time As A GreenNet Company</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tropos Tries To Reinvent Itself, This Time As A GreenNet Company]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had initially partnered with Earthlink for building municipality wide wireless networks. Tropos later faced some technical challenges. Tropos&#8217; then CEO Ron Sege left the company and later re-emerged as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had initially partnered with Earthlink for building municipality wide wireless networks. Tropos later faced some technical challenges. Tropos&#8217; then CEO Ron Sege left the company and later re-emerged as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wireless Philadelphia: Back From The Dead - GigaOM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wireless Philadelphia: Back From The Dead - GigaOM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of a new Earthlink? The very same network that the Atlanta-based ISP had to abandon because it found itself sinking in a financial quicksand, leading many of us to believe that the network that cost $17 millionwas [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a new Earthlink? The very same network that the Atlanta-based ISP had to abandon because it found itself sinking in a financial quicksand, leading many of us to believe that the network that cost $17 millionwas [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Max Espinoza</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max Espinoza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;News:
&quot;EEUU - Chicago scraps plans for Wi-Fi network &quot;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News:<br />
&#8220;EEUU &#8211; Chicago scraps plans for Wi-Fi network &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: The Law of Mobility &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business Models: August 2007</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Law of Mobility &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business Models: August 2007]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] MuniFi, VoIP &amp; Great (UnMet) Expecations [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MuniFi, VoIP &amp; Great (UnMet) Expecations [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MuniFi, VoIP &#38; Great (UnMet) Expecations &#124; TechBurgh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177643</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MuniFi, VoIP &#38; Great (UnMet) Expecations &#124; TechBurgh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] read more &#124; digg story [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: kimo crossman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimo crossman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Om&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is in many ways the direction we have advocated for the last two years - this is good news and the political morass you mention is a result of the Mayor&#039;s refusal to change direction - this is exactly how politics should work to stop poor ideas like the original EarthLink proposal.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om</p>
<p>This is in many ways the direction we have advocated for the last two years &#8211; this is good news and the political morass you mention is a result of the Mayor&#8217;s refusal to change direction &#8211; this is exactly how politics should work to stop poor ideas like the original EarthLink proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: Telecom Guy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Telecom Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;WiFi muni networks will never be successful due to both technical and business reasons:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Wired broadband solutions (cable, fiber, copper) can provide more bandwidth.  Why get a sub 1 mbps wifi service when you get multiple megabit service on a wired technology?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2)  3G networks are being widely deployed (EvDO &amp; HSDPA).  Similar speeds with more predictable performance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3)  Public safety will use the 700 MHz and 4.9 GHz spectrum for future deployments.  Many of the existing muni networks have public safety as the anchor customers.  Public safety agencies want reliability and good coverage.  WiFi strugges with both.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4)  WiFi has the stigma of being free (at cafes, hotels, bookstores, etc.).  People are not willing to pay for WiFi.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5)  VOIP and WiFi just don&#039;t mix.  Argue all you want, it is just reality.  The only way to get VOIP working is to over engineer the network to the point that the deployment is too expensive and not scalable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;6)  I work with state and local governments everyday.  They are fundamentally not set up to be service providers.  They are not customer centric.  They can&#039;t afford to pay the IT talent to run the networks.  They don&#039;t have sales/marketing departments.  The list goes on....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;7)  Service providers (both wired and wireless) will continue to apply pressures at all political and business levels to make sure local governments don&#039;t become service providers.  When service providers, regardless of the technology has spent billions on their networks (equipment, spectrum, right away, franchise agreements, etc.), they will fight to protect these investments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;8)  Indoor penetration.  2.4 GHz unlicensed spectrum (FCC power limits) make indoor penetration nearly impossible.  You can&#039;t break the laws of physics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LAST:  Don&#039;t get me wrong, WiFi is a great technology.  It is a LAN technology, not a MAN technology.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WiFi muni networks will never be successful due to both technical and business reasons:</p>
<p>1) Wired broadband solutions (cable, fiber, copper) can provide more bandwidth.  Why get a sub 1 mbps wifi service when you get multiple megabit service on a wired technology?</p>
<p>2)  3G networks are being widely deployed (EvDO &amp; HSDPA).  Similar speeds with more predictable performance.</p>
<p>3)  Public safety will use the 700 MHz and 4.9 GHz spectrum for future deployments.  Many of the existing muni networks have public safety as the anchor customers.  Public safety agencies want reliability and good coverage.  WiFi strugges with both.</p>
<p>4)  WiFi has the stigma of being free (at cafes, hotels, bookstores, etc.).  People are not willing to pay for WiFi.</p>
<p>5)  VOIP and WiFi just don&#8217;t mix.  Argue all you want, it is just reality.  The only way to get VOIP working is to over engineer the network to the point that the deployment is too expensive and not scalable.</p>
<p>6)  I work with state and local governments everyday.  They are fundamentally not set up to be service providers.  They are not customer centric.  They can&#8217;t afford to pay the IT talent to run the networks.  They don&#8217;t have sales/marketing departments.  The list goes on&#8230;.</p>
<p>7)  Service providers (both wired and wireless) will continue to apply pressures at all political and business levels to make sure local governments don&#8217;t become service providers.  When service providers, regardless of the technology has spent billions on their networks (equipment, spectrum, right away, franchise agreements, etc.), they will fight to protect these investments.</p>
<p>8)  Indoor penetration.  2.4 GHz unlicensed spectrum (FCC power limits) make indoor penetration nearly impossible.  You can&#8217;t break the laws of physics.</p>
<p>LAST:  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, WiFi is a great technology.  It is a LAN technology, not a MAN technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cuming</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Cuming]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I do not agree that the network performance in Philadelphia has anything to do with the absence of 802.11R. It is entirely as a result of a poorly designed network architecture and the deployment of 1st generation mesh equipment. There are many excellent examples of broadband wireless mesh networks that fully support carrier grade VoIP today.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree that the network performance in Philadelphia has anything to do with the absence of 802.11R. It is entirely as a result of a poorly designed network architecture and the deployment of 1st generation mesh equipment. There are many excellent examples of broadband wireless mesh networks that fully support carrier grade VoIP today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177639</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Kopelman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think, in the end, WiFi is  really not the right technology for metro-sized networks. The problem is not its unlicensed nature, contrary to what many tell you, but its contention based access control. What it brings to the table is low cost terminals and even better yet integrated devices (built-in WiFi in laptops, smart phones, and other devices). If we see Intel&#039;s WiMAX Centrino supporting a wide range of unlicensed frequencies that could spur a switch to WiMAX for Muni Wireless and much better performing networks in the next 2-3 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A separate issue is that there is no free way to fix the &lt;em&gt;Digital Divide&lt;/em&gt;. If addressing &lt;em&gt;Digital Divide&lt;/em&gt; issues is a primary goal of a Muni Wireless network, that network will not be self funding. It&#039;s just that simple. So, you either fix the issue by spending tax payer money (like you do to fix the street or install a sewer) or you use regulation to force commercial interests to do it -- likely resulting in costs being passed to consumers. One way or another &lt;em&gt;The People&lt;/em&gt; have to pay.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, in the end, WiFi is  really not the right technology for metro-sized networks. The problem is not its unlicensed nature, contrary to what many tell you, but its contention based access control. What it brings to the table is low cost terminals and even better yet integrated devices (built-in WiFi in laptops, smart phones, and other devices). If we see Intel&#8217;s WiMAX Centrino supporting a wide range of unlicensed frequencies that could spur a switch to WiMAX for Muni Wireless and much better performing networks in the next 2-3 years.</p>
<p>A separate issue is that there is no free way to fix the <em>Digital Divide</em>. If addressing <em>Digital Divide</em> issues is a primary goal of a Muni Wireless network, that network will not be self funding. It&#8217;s just that simple. So, you either fix the issue by spending tax payer money (like you do to fix the street or install a sewer) or you use regulation to force commercial interests to do it &#8212; likely resulting in costs being passed to consumers. One way or another <em>The People</em> have to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: MuniFi, VoIP &#38; Great (UnMet) Expecations &#124; Business Unusual</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/08/13/munifi-voip-great-unmet-expecations/#comment-177638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MuniFi, VoIP &#38; Great (UnMet) Expecations &#124; Business Unusual]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] aspects I have discussed before, but adds a quote by Andy Abramson about the Tropos mesh networks. GigaOM MuniFi, VoIP &amp; Great (UnMet) Expecations « MuniFi, to some extent, has been a victim of putting expectations ahead of reality. MuniFi used to [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aspects I have discussed before, but adds a quote by Andy Abramson about the Tropos mesh networks. GigaOM MuniFi, VoIP &#38; Great (UnMet) Expecations « MuniFi, to some extent, has been a victim of putting expectations ahead of reality. MuniFi used to [...]</p>
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