Comments on: AT&T Responds to Google Bid http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/ Tracking the Internet Evolution Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:58:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: trademark registration http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-733120 trademark registration Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:28:13 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-733120 <p>Google isn't as bad as Peter seems to make them out to be. I don't think that Google's worried too much about making a profit these days considering the neverending climb of their stock.</p> Google isn’t as bad as Peter seems to make them out to be. I don’t think that Google’s worried too much about making a profit these days considering the neverending climb of their stock.

]]> By: Peter Winer http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-377680 Peter Winer Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:50:51 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-377680 <p>Google's requirement for open devices and open applications is not necessary. Open devices and applications are already available today. The requirement for open services and networks is a good one and might help avoid current problems with SMS and other applications. Google is not the white knight here, they are just following their own profit motive and power agenda.</p> Google’s requirement for open devices and open applications is not necessary. Open devices and applications are already available today. The requirement for open services and networks is a good one and might help avoid current problems with SMS and other applications. Google is not the white knight here, they are just following their own profit motive and power agenda.

]]> By: Jesse Kopelman http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-376240 Jesse Kopelman Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:30:10 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-376240 <p>Charbax, I'll take a shot at answering your questions:</p> <ul> <li><p>If the winning bid is even used for broadband, WiMAX, LTE, and UMB are all viable. It really depends who wins, as each incumbent carrier has an existing allegiance to one or more of these techs. Meanwhile, currently the biggest proposed use for 700 MHz is mobile TV rather than boradband . . .</p></li> <li><p>All things being equal, you need less towers for lower frequencies. That said, in cities the real issue is handling population density and the solution there is more spectrum (Sprint has more 2.6 GHz spectrum than all of these 700 MHz license combined). Since the cities are where you make your money, building a nationwide network will have a similar cost using either band -- maybe even favoring 2.6 GHz (contrary to misguided popular wisdom).</p></li> <li><p>No. If the cells are really small why would this be better than WiFi at 2.4 GHz? Sure 700 MHz penetrates buildings well, but with so little spectrum available you have frequency reuse issues and C/I ends up being a wash (or again favoring the higher frequency). What 700 MHz is really good for is covering large areas of very low population using giant towers. Your scenario is the exact opposite.</p></li> <li><p>It can't work. If it could, you could do it right now with WiFi.</p></li> <li><p>I think most Asian and European countries are actually ahead of the Americas in terms of transitioning to digital television. I'm not sure about forcing broadcasters to terminate analog, though.</p></li> </ul> Charbax, I’ll take a shot at answering your questions:

  • If the winning bid is even used for broadband, WiMAX, LTE, and UMB are all viable. It really depends who wins, as each incumbent carrier has an existing allegiance to one or more of these techs. Meanwhile, currently the biggest proposed use for 700 MHz is mobile TV rather than boradband . . .

  • All things being equal, you need less towers for lower frequencies. That said, in cities the real issue is handling population density and the solution there is more spectrum (Sprint has more 2.6 GHz spectrum than all of these 700 MHz license combined). Since the cities are where you make your money, building a nationwide network will have a similar cost using either band — maybe even favoring 2.6 GHz (contrary to misguided popular wisdom).

  • No. If the cells are really small why would this be better than WiFi at 2.4 GHz? Sure 700 MHz penetrates buildings well, but with so little spectrum available you have frequency reuse issues and C/I ends up being a wash (or again favoring the higher frequency). What 700 MHz is really good for is covering large areas of very low population using giant towers. Your scenario is the exact opposite.

  • It can’t work. If it could, you could do it right now with WiFi.

  • I think most Asian and European countries are actually ahead of the Americas in terms of transitioning to digital television. I’m not sure about forcing broadcasters to terminate analog, though.

]]> By: Neuromancer http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-375027 Neuromancer Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:49:23 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-375027 <p>Well you might get a first world mobile infrastructure out of it :-)</p> <p>Next you need LLU</p> Well you might get a first world mobile infrastructure out of it :-)

Next you need LLU

]]> By: Brock Henderson http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371990 Brock Henderson Sun, 22 Jul 2007 06:02:15 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371990 <p>The wireless business model is very similar to the major Telco's business model; which simply stated is: "How much can we get away with".</p> <p>I'm sure Google has their own adgenda, but the stipulations I've seen would be ground-breaking for the FCC.</p> <p>The FCC listens to the major Telco's and wireless carriers (pretty much the same thing), and not to the little guys who really grew the internet.</p> <p>Google's demands are basically wanting the FCC to reverse itself on major decesions that have helped the big boys create their monolopies.</p> <p>Of course if Google doesn't get what it wants, but wins the bid, they have the option of opening up the frequencies and sell them wholesale.</p> <p>That's my 2 cents.</p> The wireless business model is very similar to the major Telco’s business model; which simply stated is: “How much can we get away with”.

I’m sure Google has their own adgenda, but the stipulations I’ve seen would be ground-breaking for the FCC.

The FCC listens to the major Telco’s and wireless carriers (pretty much the same thing), and not to the little guys who really grew the internet.

Google’s demands are basically wanting the FCC to reverse itself on major decesions that have helped the big boys create their monolopies.

Of course if Google doesn’t get what it wants, but wins the bid, they have the option of opening up the frequencies and sell them wholesale.

That’s my 2 cents.

]]> By: JoeSmo http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371698 JoeSmo Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:05:15 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371698 <p>Google Wireless Network Infrastructure -Support for a variety of wireless devices -VOIP & Video to and from all enabled devices -New Medical uses (tracking, monitoring, etc) -New Transportation uses (Tracking & Monitoring, etc)</p> -New Environmental uses (Monitoring of Air, Water, Gas and any other Hazardous materials) Google Wireless Network Infrastructure
-Support for a variety of wireless devices
-VOIP & Video to and from all enabled devices
-New Medical uses (tracking, monitoring, etc)
-New Transportation uses (Tracking & Monitoring, etc)

-New Environmental uses (Monitoring of Air, Water, Gas and any other Hazardous materials)

]]> By: Jessica Mah http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371481 Jessica Mah Sun, 22 Jul 2007 00:47:20 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371481 <p>Seeing the logo or hearing the name AT&T MAKES ME CRINGE! To make a long story short, I had to work with these idiots to get my iphone working.</p> <p>I ... hate... AT&T!!!</p> Seeing the logo or hearing the name AT&T MAKES ME CRINGE! To make a long story short, I had to work with these idiots to get my iphone working.

I … hate… AT&T!!!

]]> By: AlwaysOn http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371099 AlwaysOn Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:13:23 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-371099 <p>CTIA (on behalf of the wireless carriers) issued their ultimatum to the FCC earlier in the week. See comments</p> <p>CDMA Victims Seek Relief http://alwayson.goingon.com/permalink/post/15975</p> CTIA (on behalf of the wireless carriers) issued their ultimatum to the FCC earlier in the week. See comments

CDMA Victims Seek Relief
http://alwayson.goingon.com/permalink/post/15975

]]> By: shawal http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370978 shawal Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:15:34 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370978 <p>I have heard this rumor years ago and seem that it will be realize soon.... And hopefully its going to be better with AT&T......</p> I have heard this rumor years ago and seem that it will be realize soon…. And hopefully its going to be better with AT&T……

]]> By: peter78 http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370862 peter78 Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:06:25 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370862 <p>I like the last part by the AT&T exec:</p> <p>"We would repeat that Google should put up or shut up— they can bid and enter the wireless market with any business model they prefer, then let consumers decide which model they like best."</p> <p>I think it's funny how he uses the term "consumers choice". When it comes to telecomm how much choice do we really have? It's been a pleasure to see AT&T taking a beating through the last decade. Consumers need some real choice and the answer is NOT AT&T.</p> I like the last part by the AT&T exec:

“We would repeat that Google should put up or shut up— they can bid and enter the wireless market with any business model they prefer, then let consumers decide which model they like best.”

I think it’s funny how he uses the term “consumers choice”. When it comes to telecomm how much choice do we really have? It’s been a pleasure to see AT&T taking a beating through the last decade. Consumers need some real choice and the answer is NOT AT&T.

]]> By: A.T. http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370739 A.T. Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:35:41 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370739 <p>I have strange guts feeling that earlier report @Gigaom http://gigaom.com/2007/07/19/so-google-stumbles-should-anyone-care/ is actually consequence of Google push for bandwidth. I tend to think that investors are not cast of iron, and there are ways to mani... ergh, I mean hint them on some conflict of interest between Google and telecom herd. They were all good and excellent and so on until they started bite into piece of pie which were already assigned. I wish I could be completely wrong and considered paranoid idiot.</p> I have strange guts feeling that earlier report @Gigaom http://gigaom.com/2007/07/19/so-google-stumbles-should-anyone-care/ is actually consequence of Google push for bandwidth. I tend to think that investors are not cast of iron, and there are ways to mani… ergh, I mean hint them on some conflict of interest between Google and telecom herd. They were all good and excellent and so on until they started bite into piece of pie which were already assigned. I wish I could be completely wrong and considered paranoid idiot.

]]> By: Jerry Gartner http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370724 Jerry Gartner Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:28:40 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370724 <p>AT&T is upset just as Microsoft is over GPL3. Any time the established companies are threatened with potential losses due to a better way to do things, they get rather testy. There's a brief comparision between the GLP concepts and the Google Wireless Manifest at http://rackit.gartnerwebdev.com/2007/07/21/the-google-manifesto-and-richard-stallman/ that elaborates on this a bit more.</p> AT&T is upset just as Microsoft is over GPL3. Any time the established companies are threatened with potential losses due to a better way to do things, they get rather testy. There’s a brief comparision between the GLP concepts and the Google Wireless Manifest at http://rackit.gartnerwebdev.com/2007/07/21/the-google-manifesto-and-richard-stallman/ that elaborates on this a bit more.

]]> By: David Mackey http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370715 David Mackey Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:26:09 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370715 <p>I hope that Google gets some of this spectrum. Agree w/commenters above, Google could shake things up.</p> I hope that Google gets some of this spectrum. Agree w/commenters above, Google could shake things up.

]]> By: A.T. http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370673 A.T. Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:51:08 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-370673 <p>@Rick: MS is busy with due diligence - to pay quit long bill on HW faults with Xbox ;)</p> @Rick: MS is busy with due diligence - to pay quit long bill on HW faults with Xbox ;)

]]> By: petabro http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-369597 petabro Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:37:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-369597 <p>The genisis of Broadbandits 3.0</p> The genisis of Broadbandits 3.0

]]> By: Rick http://gigaom.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-368952 Rick Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:43:22 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/07/20/att-responds-to-google-wireless-bid/#comment-368952 <p>Where is Microsoft in all of this? They have more cash than anyone and surely of interest in this future access.</p> <p>They could certainly outbid Google.</p> Where is Microsoft in all of this? They have more cash than anyone and surely of interest in this future access.

They could certainly outbid Google.

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