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	<title>Comments on: Kijiji and the Curse of Craigslist</title>
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		<title>By: Toronto poster</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-973283</link>
		<dc:creator>Toronto poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first objective article I have ever read on the topic.I almost never went beyond the second line of  any article on classifieds without concluding it&#039;s way off the wall,</description>
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		<title>By: Philip Markoff, Julissa Brisman and Craig Newmark&#8217;s Annus Horibilis &#171; cyberaxis</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-944375</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Markoff, Julissa Brisman and Craig Newmark&#8217;s Annus Horibilis &#171; cyberaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lawsuits from different state attorneys general and  various groups pales in comparison to the money Craigslist has left on the table by not charging for its classifieds in hot markets like most major metro areas in the United [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CliqueCanada</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-938860</link>
		<dc:creator>CliqueCanada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that, the bigger the classified (and thus more successful) the more difficult it becomes for the individual to actually find anything.

When presented with to many options, we as humans occassionally become over whelmed, at least I do. Today I walked into Subway and was asked what kind of sub I wanted, while I starred blank at the board. :)

Small is sometimes better, and certainly it does little harm for others to compete.

Here is our own little classifieds niche somewhere in the corner of the Internet: http://www.cliquecanada.com/classifieds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that, the bigger the classified (and thus more successful) the more difficult it becomes for the individual to actually find anything.</p>
<p>When presented with to many options, we as humans occassionally become over whelmed, at least I do. Today I walked into Subway and was asked what kind of sub I wanted, while I starred blank at the board. :)</p>
<p>Small is sometimes better, and certainly it does little harm for others to compete.</p>
<p>Here is our own little classifieds niche somewhere in the corner of the Internet: <a href="http://www.cliquecanada.com/classifieds" rel="nofollow">http://www.cliquecanada.com/classifieds</a></p>
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		<title>By: Culture Links for the Week of July 13th 07 &#124; False Positives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Culture Links for the Week of July 13th 07 &#124; False Positives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Moshe Maeir</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-335605</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Maeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great Article.
Trivia question - how many people on Facebook have the name  Kevin Kelleher??
Answer - way too many to find you there!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article.<br />
Trivia question &#8211; how many people on Facebook have the name  Kevin Kelleher??<br />
Answer &#8211; way too many to find you there!</p>
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		<title>By: Slavito</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-333961</link>
		<dc:creator>Slavito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;People in the US may not realize this, but Kijiji is already making an impact - with its foreign sites. And it sure learned a few things along the way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For one, Craig&#039;s contempt towards foreign markets and foreign languages is one major weakness waiting to be exploited. I remember first seeing the promise &quot;la version française bientôt disponible&quot; (French version coming soon) on Craigslist-Paris a few years ago. Actually, the promise is still there (misspelled, btw). The French version is not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Check out Kijiji in Paris (hint: it&#039;s in French):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://paris.kijiji.fr/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And now compare the numbers for the real estate section (arguably, CL&#039;s most popular feature):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Kijiji: Immobilier  (30,285)
Craigslist: Housing  (7,225)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whose site would you rather advertise on to reach the locals? CL, in English with 7 thousand ads or on Kijiji, in French with 30 thousand?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some might say &quot;big deal&quot; - let Kijiji have Paris. But it&#039;s not just Paris. Gumtree (Kijiji&#039;s brand in London) has far more ads than CL&#039;s anemic CL-London. So, London, Paris, and pretty much every single major city outside of US Kijiji already won.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It learned (or learning quickly) to adapt its brand, marketing, even colors to the taste of the local market. Craiglist, meanwhile, has been standing still and growing more and more pale by comparison.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Kijiji will find a unique, convincing way to please New Yorkers, Chicagoans, Bostonians and perhaps one day - even SF residents. And cookie-cutter Craiglist will probably remain the same for everybody, targeting no one in particular.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And finally, Craig: with $25M / year you can afford a goddamn designer.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in the US may not realize this, but Kijiji is already making an impact &#8211; with its foreign sites. And it sure learned a few things along the way.</p>
<p>For one, Craig&#8217;s contempt towards foreign markets and foreign languages is one major weakness waiting to be exploited. I remember first seeing the promise &#8220;la version française bientôt disponible&#8221; (French version coming soon) on Craigslist-Paris a few years ago. Actually, the promise is still there (misspelled, btw). The French version is not.</p>
<p>Check out Kijiji in Paris (hint: it&#8217;s in French):</p>
<p><a href="http://paris.kijiji.fr/" rel="nofollow">http://paris.kijiji.fr/</a></p>
<p>And now compare the numbers for the real estate section (arguably, CL&#8217;s most popular feature):</p>
<p>Kijiji: Immobilier  (30,285)<br />
Craigslist: Housing  (7,225)</p>
<p>Whose site would you rather advertise on to reach the locals? CL, in English with 7 thousand ads or on Kijiji, in French with 30 thousand?</p>
<p>Some might say &#8220;big deal&#8221; &#8211; let Kijiji have Paris. But it&#8217;s not just Paris. Gumtree (Kijiji&#8217;s brand in London) has far more ads than CL&#8217;s anemic CL-London. So, London, Paris, and pretty much every single major city outside of US Kijiji already won.</p>
<p>It learned (or learning quickly) to adapt its brand, marketing, even colors to the taste of the local market. Craiglist, meanwhile, has been standing still and growing more and more pale by comparison.</p>
<p>I think Kijiji will find a unique, convincing way to please New Yorkers, Chicagoans, Bostonians and perhaps one day &#8211; even SF residents. And cookie-cutter Craiglist will probably remain the same for everybody, targeting no one in particular.</p>
<p>And finally, Craig: with $25M / year you can afford a goddamn designer.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Kuhn</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-333924</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great insights into a sticky problem for our friends at Ebay.com. I included this piece on my blog at http://www.innovators-network.org where there are lots of good resources for innovators, small businesses, venture capitalists, and the generally curious webizen. Click on, fearless surfer!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insights into a sticky problem for our friends at Ebay.com. I included this piece on my blog at <a href="http://www.innovators-network.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.innovators-network.org</a> where there are lots of good resources for innovators, small businesses, venture capitalists, and the generally curious webizen. Click on, fearless surfer!</p>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-333400</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Kijiji and the Curse of Craigslist Online classifieds have been at once among the most disruptive of Internet sectors and the hardest to break into. [&#8230;] [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: A Man with a Flashlight</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-333123</link>
		<dc:creator>A Man with a Flashlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] vs.&#160;Craigslist Wednesday July 11th 2007, 7:48 am  Filed under: Internet A brief account of how a non-profit kicked the competition&#8217;s asses and created hundreds of the most useful [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-332478</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin, exceptionally well written analysis of eBay&#039;s Kijiji.  One thing, however, I highly doubt: eBay&#039;s integration of Kijiji with its marketplace.  They have made numerous remarks regarding their hesitance to move into the consumer services market, due to the inherent issues.  I don&#039;t like to make fast conclusions, but they are a consumer goods marketplace, and Kijiji is a classifieds site -- that&#039;s all.  The following disclaimer at the bottom right hand corner of every listing page tells me something: &quot;Avoid fraud by meeting all sellers in-person to pay for items. Kijiji does not offer any transaction or payment services.&quot;  They don&#039;t offer that currently, and they probably never will.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, exceptionally well written analysis of eBay&#8217;s Kijiji.  One thing, however, I highly doubt: eBay&#8217;s integration of Kijiji with its marketplace.  They have made numerous remarks regarding their hesitance to move into the consumer services market, due to the inherent issues.  I don&#8217;t like to make fast conclusions, but they are a consumer goods marketplace, and Kijiji is a classifieds site &#8212; that&#8217;s all.  The following disclaimer at the bottom right hand corner of every listing page tells me something: &#8220;Avoid fraud by meeting all sellers in-person to pay for items. Kijiji does not offer any transaction or payment services.&#8221;  They don&#8217;t offer that currently, and they probably never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-332423</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;leaving money on the table&quot; is not a &quot;bug&quot; it&#039;s a &quot;feature&quot;!  It makes it very very hard to compete with; and gains them lots of content (ad listings); which gets them lots of consumers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;leaving money on the table&#8221; is not a &#8220;bug&#8221; it&#8217;s a &#8220;feature&#8221;!  It makes it very very hard to compete with; and gains them lots of content (ad listings); which gets them lots of consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-332199</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First off, Kevin, thanks for such a clear thought on craigslist. I am personally inspired by Craigslist - and Craig&#039;s principles. It reminds me that even though I clearly want big profit, that I&#039;ve got to keep the customers ultimate satisfaction in mind, and not take the shortcuts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JD, I have to disagree with you about eBay - they do what they say they do best - creating - and keeping the largest auction site in the world tremendously successful. Yes, they have been jacking around with skype for two years too long - and still haven&#039;t used it to it&#039;s potential - or integrated it with paypal and ebay.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, they haven&#039;t really stretched themselves thin like Yahoo has - so they can still monetize and use their properties to their ultimate potential.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not convinced that they will ever make money off of kijiji. There is no profit model inherent that they have been successful with in the past. I think that they are hedging their bets, and creating a competitor to their own auction site. This way, if eBay is to continue losing steam, they also have a different sales model that runs itself etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that there is alot to be desired on craigslist in terms of features, that they could increase, and steal market share with. They could have a better ad creator, better search, and more specific categories.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sincerely,
David Jaeger&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Kevin, thanks for such a clear thought on craigslist. I am personally inspired by Craigslist &#8211; and Craig&#8217;s principles. It reminds me that even though I clearly want big profit, that I&#8217;ve got to keep the customers ultimate satisfaction in mind, and not take the shortcuts.</p>
<p>JD, I have to disagree with you about eBay &#8211; they do what they say they do best &#8211; creating &#8211; and keeping the largest auction site in the world tremendously successful. Yes, they have been jacking around with skype for two years too long &#8211; and still haven&#8217;t used it to it&#8217;s potential &#8211; or integrated it with paypal and ebay.</p>
<p>On the other hand, they haven&#8217;t really stretched themselves thin like Yahoo has &#8211; so they can still monetize and use their properties to their ultimate potential.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that they will ever make money off of kijiji. There is no profit model inherent that they have been successful with in the past. I think that they are hedging their bets, and creating a competitor to their own auction site. This way, if eBay is to continue losing steam, they also have a different sales model that runs itself etc.</p>
<p>I think that there is alot to be desired on craigslist in terms of features, that they could increase, and steal market share with. They could have a better ad creator, better search, and more specific categories.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
David Jaeger</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Smythe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-332040</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Smythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kevin, I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. I think eBay wanted to buy Craig&#039;s List and came up against a guy with principals. Once they learned how Craig&#039;s List works from the inside, via a board seat, its now time to compete. A flip on the old saying &quot;If you can&#039;t buy em&#039;, beat em&#039;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If eBay wants to make a serious move they have the resources to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more. I think eBay wanted to buy Craig&#8217;s List and came up against a guy with principals. Once they learned how Craig&#8217;s List works from the inside, via a board seat, its now time to compete. A flip on the old saying &#8220;If you can&#8217;t buy em&#8217;, beat em&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>If eBay wants to make a serious move they have the resources to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Cheesman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-331893</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Cheesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kijiji &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; make a significant impact, but it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt;  doubtful. The online recruitment space, for example, is incredibly cluttered, making it nearly impossible for newbies to make an impact. Most Internet recruiting experts put the number of online job boards at 40,000 and growing globally. The typical HR person simply ignores most of the noise. I&#039;ll be surprised if 1/4 of recruiting pros can spell Kijiji in 5 years, let alone use it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kijiji <em>might</em> make a significant impact, but it&#8217;s <em>very</em>  doubtful. The online recruitment space, for example, is incredibly cluttered, making it nearly impossible for newbies to make an impact. Most Internet recruiting experts put the number of online job boards at 40,000 and growing globally. The typical HR person simply ignores most of the noise. I&#8217;ll be surprised if 1/4 of recruiting pros can spell Kijiji in 5 years, let alone use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kelleher</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-330978</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kelleher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steve, you misread me if you think I am being critical of Craigslist&#039;s business model. I agree it makes more than enough money. However, I can&#039;t abide by your use of the term &quot;stakeholder&quot; - it&#039;s evolved to include everyone, not just shareowners (including rival eBay) and employees, but also customers, and the customers of customers (the people who buy from those who post on Craigslist) as well as the broader community, which in the case of Craigslist includes the newspapers it&#039;s &quot;competing&quot; against. So how can you say it&#039;s truly making money for all its stakeholders?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dustin, thanks!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;James, I agree with your sentiment. It&#039;s one thing to work like hell, it&#039;s another to do so in a rat race.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you misread me if you think I am being critical of Craigslist&#8217;s business model. I agree it makes more than enough money. However, I can&#8217;t abide by your use of the term &#8220;stakeholder&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s evolved to include everyone, not just shareowners (including rival eBay) and employees, but also customers, and the customers of customers (the people who buy from those who post on Craigslist) as well as the broader community, which in the case of Craigslist includes the newspapers it&#8217;s &#8220;competing&#8221; against. So how can you say it&#8217;s truly making money for all its stakeholders?</p>
<p>Dustin, thanks!</p>
<p>James, I agree with your sentiment. It&#8217;s one thing to work like hell, it&#8217;s another to do so in a rat race.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/07/09/kijiji-vs-craigslist/#comment-330891</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you look at the money-happiness curve, Craig obviously does not need much to enjoy his life. Why bother competing in the crazy rat race? Money is just not that important to him. Social capital is much more important. Benkler calls it peer production. Some call it socialism (related to, but not necessarily), which i guess is a hard thing to understand living in the the hardcore &quot;survival of the fittest&quot; money-driven US.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the money-happiness curve, Craig obviously does not need much to enjoy his life. Why bother competing in the crazy rat race? Money is just not that important to him. Social capital is much more important. Benkler calls it peer production. Some call it socialism (related to, but not necessarily), which i guess is a hard thing to understand living in the the hardcore &#8220;survival of the fittest&#8221; money-driven US.</p>
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