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		<title>By: iPhone Defections Good for AT&#38;T, Better for Wireless Broadband - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-903269</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Defections Good for AT&#38;T, Better for Wireless Broadband - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] launched on the pokey EDGE network last year, the Apple faithful flocked to the device, but the slow network triggered a flood of complaints. The newer version launched in June (and went on sale in July) with a lower price tag and faster [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: transceivers.check4cheap.com &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-524066</link>
		<dc:creator>transceivers.check4cheap.com &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] iPhone &amp; The EDGE Question « GigaOMIt’s not just about time slots, you also need transceivers back at Are the telecoms really so cheap=dumb that they cant figure that First off, I&#8217;d check some of your facts by checking the online [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] iPhone &#38; The EDGE Question « GigaOMIt’s not just about time slots, you also need transceivers back at Are the telecoms really so cheap=dumb that they cant figure that First off, I&#8217;d check some of your facts by checking the online [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GigaOM Why AT&#38;T should offer free Wi-Fi &#171;</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-301818</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM Why AT&#38;T should offer free Wi-Fi &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] experience with their EDGE network. It can use Wi-Fi to offload at least some of its traffic off the EDGE network.      Share This  &#124; Sphere &#124; Print &#124; Topic: Broadband, Mobile [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] experience with their EDGE network. It can use Wi-Fi to offload at least some of its traffic off the EDGE network.      Share This  | Sphere | Print | Topic: Broadband, Mobile [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: billythekid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-293320</link>
		<dc:creator>billythekid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;iPhone has some of the more popular websites already saved inside the device, and fetches updates from the Web only the information that needs to be updated&quot;?  Is Jobs referring to AJAX or some other type of proxy protocol that would improve standard HTTP requests?  AJAX will update small portions of a page, but it&#039;s not widely used for things like updating the latest stories on the NYT homepage.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;iPhone has some of the more popular websites already saved inside the device, and fetches updates from the Web only the information that needs to be updated&#8221;?  Is Jobs referring to AJAX or some other type of proxy protocol that would improve standard HTTP requests?  AJAX will update small portions of a page, but it&#8217;s not widely used for things like updating the latest stories on the NYT homepage.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zahadum</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-286939</link>
		<dc:creator>zahadum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;typo!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039;literally&#039; rising costs should have read &#039;linearly&#039; rising costs&#039; (figuratively speaking, of course).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there is no edit tool for this blog :-(&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo!</p>

<p>&#8216;literally&#8217; rising costs should have read &#8216;linearly&#8217; rising costs&#8217; (figuratively speaking, of course).</p>

<p>there is no edit tool for this blog :-(</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zahadum</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-286928</link>
		<dc:creator>zahadum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Heavy Reading&quot; (uk) has a jaw-dropping report that suggests that 25% of carrier operating costs are on provisioning T1 (yes T1, not ATM!) lines for back-haul traffic to/from the tower.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is shocking! (isnt it?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.heavyreading.com/details.asp?sku_id=999&amp;skuitem_itemid=880&amp;promo_code=&amp;aff_code=&amp;next_url=%2Fsearch%2Easp%3F
Are the telecoms really so cheap=dumb that they cant figure that solving this bottleneck is a competitive advantage -- ie a scalable paltform where costs not not forever rise literaly with traffic?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh wait, i said telecoms. I guess i answered my own question ;-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heavy Reading&#8221; (uk) has a jaw-dropping report that suggests that 25% of carrier operating costs are on provisioning T1 (yes T1, not ATM!) lines for back-haul traffic to/from the tower.</p>

<p>That is shocking! (isnt it?)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.heavyreading.com/details.asp?sku_id=999&amp;skuitem_itemid=880&amp;promo_code=&amp;aff_code=&amp;next_url=%2Fsearch%2Easp%3F" rel="nofollow">http://www.heavyreading.com/details.asp?sku_id=999&amp;skuitem_itemid=880&amp;promo_code=&amp;aff_code=&amp;next_url=%2Fsearch%2Easp%3F</a>
Are the telecoms really so cheap=dumb that they cant figure that solving this bottleneck is a competitive advantage &#8212; ie a scalable paltform where costs not not forever rise literaly with traffic?</p>

<p>Oh wait, i said telecoms. I guess i answered my own question ;-)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: paul johnson roberts</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-286644</link>
		<dc:creator>paul johnson roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the fanboy line tonight, the most talked about iPhone thing was the circulating rumors that ATT had upgraded the EDGE network over night. In fact, many of us were there with our frustrating EDGE handsets running tests on dslreports.com/mspeed to check our performance. There was definitely something good (ok, better) going on. Typically I get 40kbs, maybe a little better. And this seemed to be normal. However, we were seeing ranges from about 80 to 185, so something happened. The ATT guys (not the most trained people, but they were pretty good with the Apple stuff) explained that they had beefed up the network backend and tower installations in various ways. One of the things they talked about (among just general bandwidth availability and more towers) was the TDM slots. Someone said that they were dedicating more to data (but not at the expense of voice...so I don&#039;t know if this means anything). Anyway, I just got 190 here at my house.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At any rate, unless you have no access to wifi networks, the phone makes up for it in every other way. It rocks big time. I&#039;m already doing pretty well with the two finger typing (I did have practice on my shit Treo, which seemed to know the end was near today as it kept restarting itself in protest).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was skeptical, but I&#039;m happy i went ahead and got it. On the whole this device is 80% perfect, where all the others don&#039;t even come close to the experience of this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides the EDGE network, everything else is faster than a bullet (the UI) and slicker than the bridge of the Enterprise. I don&#039;t like to engage the flamers, but the naysayers should really try the iPhone before charging through with their standard anti-Apple pre-conceived notions that this thing can&#039;t be half of what it&#039;s been hyped to be. Because it is...much more than that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the fanboy line tonight, the most talked about iPhone thing was the circulating rumors that ATT had upgraded the EDGE network over night. In fact, many of us were there with our frustrating EDGE handsets running tests on dslreports.com/mspeed to check our performance. There was definitely something good (ok, better) going on. Typically I get 40kbs, maybe a little better. And this seemed to be normal. However, we were seeing ranges from about 80 to 185, so something happened. The ATT guys (not the most trained people, but they were pretty good with the Apple stuff) explained that they had beefed up the network backend and tower installations in various ways. One of the things they talked about (among just general bandwidth availability and more towers) was the TDM slots. Someone said that they were dedicating more to data (but not at the expense of voice&#8230;so I don&#8217;t know if this means anything). Anyway, I just got 190 here at my house.</p>

<p>At any rate, unless you have no access to wifi networks, the phone makes up for it in every other way. It rocks big time. I&#8217;m already doing pretty well with the two finger typing (I did have practice on my shit Treo, which seemed to know the end was near today as it kept restarting itself in protest).</p>

<p>I was skeptical, but I&#8217;m happy i went ahead and got it. On the whole this device is 80% perfect, where all the others don&#8217;t even come close to the experience of this.</p>

<p>Besides the EDGE network, everything else is faster than a bullet (the UI) and slicker than the bridge of the Enterprise. I don&#8217;t like to engage the flamers, but the naysayers should really try the iPhone before charging through with their standard anti-Apple pre-conceived notions that this thing can&#8217;t be half of what it&#8217;s been hyped to be. Because it is&#8230;much more than that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-285733</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] iPhone &amp; The EDGE Question Update: Looks like EDGE got the booster injection this morning. They are talking about the iPhone even on ESPN [&#8230;] [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: techuntangled</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-285621</link>
		<dc:creator>techuntangled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Folks, you got it wrong! There is one BIG reason the iPhone only works with EDGE and not 3G (UMTS). AT&amp;T has a very limited 3G network - only a few cities. Jobs gives is a lousy, lame excuse - I guess he&#039;s just being nice and covering for AT&amp;T. Both Sprint and Verizon Wireless (with EV-DO) cover more than 205+ million POPs (watch for this news coming out soon).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wait till Apple announces their International iPhone partners. I bet you that will be with a UMTS iPhone (unless its Japan, Korea, or China in which case it can be EV-DO). Then there will be no talk of battery drain.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, you got it wrong! There is one BIG reason the iPhone only works with EDGE and not 3G (UMTS). AT&amp;T has a very limited 3G network &#8211; only a few cities. Jobs gives is a lousy, lame excuse &#8211; I guess he&#8217;s just being nice and covering for AT&amp;T. Both Sprint and Verizon Wireless (with EV-DO) cover more than 205+ million POPs (watch for this news coming out soon).</p>

<p>Wait till Apple announces their International iPhone partners. I bet you that will be with a UMTS iPhone (unless its Japan, Korea, or China in which case it can be EV-DO). Then there will be no talk of battery drain.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Roy Agostino</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-285548</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Agostino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;AT&amp;T&#039;s network has a reputation of poor data service, so it&#039;s reasonable to speculate whether the network will be impacted by the major increase in data traveling across the network due to the iPhone. The real question for AT&amp;T now is have they appropriately planned from a capacity standpoint what affect the iPhone will have, and do they have the correct methods in place to foresee if there will be a problem that will lead to a potential service outages?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is important especially given the recent Blackberry outage where an unforeseen software problem led to an outage that affected 8 million users. It&#039;s clear the demand for the iPhone is huge and will remain that way at least in the near future, so the potential is high for a repeat of the Blackberry scenario given AT&amp;T&#039;s already notoriously spotty network.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AT&amp;T&#8217;s network has a reputation of poor data service, so it&#8217;s reasonable to speculate whether the network will be impacted by the major increase in data traveling across the network due to the iPhone. The real question for AT&amp;T now is have they appropriately planned from a capacity standpoint what affect the iPhone will have, and do they have the correct methods in place to foresee if there will be a problem that will lead to a potential service outages?</p>

<p>This is important especially given the recent Blackberry outage where an unforeseen software problem led to an outage that affected 8 million users. It&#8217;s clear the demand for the iPhone is huge and will remain that way at least in the near future, so the potential is high for a repeat of the Blackberry scenario given AT&amp;T&#8217;s already notoriously spotty network.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-285470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike: there is EDGE in Europe, it&#039;s just that with UMTS so widely available nobody talks about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tom: It&#039;s not just about time slots, you also need transceivers back at the BSC. Where the AT&amp;T network was underprovisioned was on these transceivers. This was because they were also underprovisioned on backhaul -- no need for greater EDGE throughput if there is no backhaul to support it. I used to fight about this stuff 4 years ago. Funny that it took the iPhone to make them care about customer data experience! Anyway, data time slots are on-demand, so the iPhone would have to spark a major uptick in data ussage to cause voice blocking.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: there is EDGE in Europe, it&#8217;s just that with UMTS so widely available nobody talks about it.</p>

<p>Tom: It&#8217;s not just about time slots, you also need transceivers back at the BSC. Where the AT&amp;T network was underprovisioned was on these transceivers. This was because they were also underprovisioned on backhaul &#8212; no need for greater EDGE throughput if there is no backhaul to support it. I used to fight about this stuff 4 years ago. Funny that it took the iPhone to make them care about customer data experience! Anyway, data time slots are on-demand, so the iPhone would have to spark a major uptick in data ussage to cause voice blocking.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: lrd</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-284609</link>
		<dc:creator>lrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read the Edge runs @ 75 - 135 kps. If dial up ran that fast 3/4 of us wouldn&#039;t have cable modems!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Edge runs @ 75 &#8211; 135 kps. If dial up ran that fast 3/4 of us wouldn&#8217;t have cable modems!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ValleyGrunt</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-284348</link>
		<dc:creator>ValleyGrunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om:
I would think they started working on the iPhone a couple of years ago at least. At that point of time it was probably the first generation of 3G/HSDPA chipsets out in the market, not very power-efficient, and furthermore there was probably only a smattering of HSDPA deployments on the infra side. Hence EDGE in the iPhone. I don&#039;t know how many markets are HSDPA ready even today (you can probably throw light on this).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om:
I would think they started working on the iPhone a couple of years ago at least. At that point of time it was probably the first generation of 3G/HSDPA chipsets out in the market, not very power-efficient, and furthermore there was probably only a smattering of HSDPA deployments on the infra side. Hence EDGE in the iPhone. I don&#8217;t know how many markets are HSDPA ready even today (you can probably throw light on this).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-283999</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Mark, I missed that in the Pogue piece. Hopefully fixed or hacked sometime soon :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark, I missed that in the Pogue piece. Hopefully fixed or hacked sometime soon :-)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-283974</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@PXlated: I think the Pogue Q&amp;A said that the iPhone could not be tethered.  Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although this would be something that could be fixed via software.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PXlated: I think the Pogue Q&amp;A said that the iPhone could not be tethered.  Sorry.</p>

<p>Although this would be something that could be fixed via software.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom Coseven</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/06/29/iphone-the-edge-question/#comment-283858</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Coseven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The way you get more speed for EDGE is to give it more TDM slots that would otherwise be available for voice.  It will be interesting to see if AT&amp;T customers start complaining about voice blocking in denser areas.  I would guess that AT&amp;T would rather have non-iPhone voice customers complaining than have the new iPhone customer complaining about speed.  After a month watch them ddrop the EDGE speed back down.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way you get more speed for EDGE is to give it more TDM slots that would otherwise be available for voice.  It will be interesting to see if AT&amp;T customers start complaining about voice blocking in denser areas.  I would guess that AT&amp;T would rather have non-iPhone voice customers complaining than have the new iPhone customer complaining about speed.  After a month watch them ddrop the EDGE speed back down.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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