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Digg fans are getting their own Wayback Machine type mashup for locating lost Digg stories. DuggBack is a site that helps you find removed stories using a mix of mirrors and caches. The service uses the Digg API, and mirror services from DuggMirror, Coral CDN, Wayback […]

Digg fans are getting their own Wayback Machine type mashup for locating lost Digg stories. DuggBack is a site that helps you find removed stories using a mix of mirrors and caches. The service uses the Digg API, and mirror services from DuggMirror, Coral CDN, Wayback Machine and DotCache, and web cache services from Google, Yahoo, Live Search and Ask.

The site has been running live for 4 days now. In the site’s About section creator Torsten Lyngaas writes that the service will be ad supported and that DuggBack was created with no outside funding. Digg recently announced an open API, and has spawned mashups like ‘Who Is Digging You?’. Another geeky tool for Digg’s 1.2 million users!

  1. Jay (living in First Life) Friday, April 27, 2007

    Digg has 1.2 MM accounts, not 1.2 MM users. There is a remendous difference between the two. People sign up for multiple accounts to spam it and as normal people realize that a tiny group of self-important Diggers dominate the site, they are leaving.

    I’m calling it right here, Digg is done for. It was a great concept but the point is:

    a) When average people don’t matter, it’s not a democracy, it’s called Pakistan
    b) The target demographic is 22 – 30 year old, tech savvy males. They don’t click on ads, they don’t even notice banners, and advertising to them outside of a urinal at a bar in San Jose doesn’t matter.

    Isn’t GigaOm supposed to focus on real news? This feature is totally worthless and pointless.

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  2. Jay, comparing Digg to a pure democracy is just stupid. As with any democracy, certain individuals gain more power than others, and thus “rule” the “democracy.”

    As far as your a and b comments go:

    A) When average people don’t matter, it’s called the “United States of America”
    B) Yet, Digg still makes a million a month plus. Your arguments are as baseless as they are useless.

    Whether or not the content hitting the front page of Digg is “breaking” or “important” news is not relevant. What matters is that the userbase that frequents Digg, and uses the front page of a source of news, or even a source of entertainment, is happy with what is promoted.

    The people behind Digg (not just Kevin Rose, btw) aren’t stupid. They are capable of altering their algorithms so that the same shit from the same shit pile of people isn’t hitting the front page unfairly.

    Jump off your Digg-hating high horse and launch a clone. We all know you had the idea years before Digg. Just don’t get upset when we laugh at you for pulling off an inferior imitation.

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  3. Jay (living in First Life) Saturday, April 28, 2007

    Stephen, you clearly missed the tone of my argument. Average people don’t matter in the US, but they have hope. On Digg, they have no hope, kind of like Pakistan.

    I wasn’t saying they don’t make money. I was saying they deliver very little value to advertisers. Do you have any logical argument to show it does?

    User-generated content and social media is great but my main critique is that most sites have found it very hard to deliver real value to advertisers without dropping their CPM rates very low. Digg is no exception and has a worse “ad-averse” demographic than any other major Web 2.0 site.

    Kevin Rose is a smart guy. His execution has been superb. I just think they need to stop riding their own high horse and realize there are real usability issues that are slowly going to drain them.

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  4. Jay,

    Since you’re living in the first life, I’d invite you to study it, specifically http://www.greenwhite.org

    This is a place where the entire IT & Telecom industry stakeholders of Pakistan, along with students, front-line employees and middle managers, get together to discuss challenges for the entire industry.

    E.g.
    http://greenwhite.org/2007/02/13/should-we-have-an-industry-wide-blacklist-to-better-evaluate-job-applicants/
    http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/27/pakistani-challenges-to-professional-career-counseling/
    http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/19/we-are-green-and-were-proud-of-it/

    Name one other site you know where Govt stakeholders, students, and the “average guy being affected by technology” has just an equal voice in terms of how the country moves forward…. and that too over a BLOG! While a lot of us still have trouble defining the actual value of blogs, Pakistan seems to be using it to create a transparent and democratic way of finding solutions for ourselves.

    It always seems smart to generalize and point to a country that you’ve only heard a one-sided story of, but I thought democracy was about understanding all perspectives of others.

    P.S. I agree with you about Digg — they need a way of allowing new visitors to also grow and become a part of that active community that diggs back and forth, or atleast to connect quickly with other similar people and still have influence over the stories. Without that, Digg may have some trouble gaining traction outside of heavy tech users (and just having other categories wont make it happen)

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  5. Jay (living in First Life) Saturday, April 28, 2007

    Osama – I appreciate your thoughts. I went and read your blog and it’s certainly fascinating what’s going on. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Orascom (sp?) the Egyptian telecom giant that made a move into Pakistan a while back but I’ve read a lot about them recently.

    While I may have overgeneralized about Pakistan, I think it’s fair to say that Pakistan is not a democracy. I’m not saying that BBC News is unbiased but the rule of law is not that strong and the government is very fragile. Pakistan has been a dictatorsihp for over 50% of its years in existence.

    I agree with you vis-a-vis Digg. They need to figure out a way to make it compelling for new users and even for “light” users.

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  6. Oh so here too moderation… What has happened to democracy in this world :-o

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  7. Jay,

    Appreciate the reply. Actually strange as it may sound looking at Pakistan from within Pakistan gives a very clear idea about democracy here.

    The bottom line is while its not ideal, you have to look at specific individual places rather than the whole to decide about Democracy.

    Orascom from Egypt invested millions of dollars in Pakistan and have a 46% market share as a teleco operator (brand name “Mobilink”). However, they were successful because of an impressive, completely open and democratic approach taken by the PTA (equivalent of FCC) to deregulate the telecom industry.

    The approach involved getting feedback from hundreds of industry stakeholders and a 4-month public review process of proposed policies. Last year this was highlighted by the ITU as well in recognizing Pakistan’s approach to telecom deregulation.

    In addition to this, there is lot more openness of individual expression and grassroots elections at neighborhood-levels.

    There is still a ways to go in terms of regulation of industries (why we started Green & White), respect of human rights, and in the creation of a vibrant knowledge economy.

    However, you will notice that there are those of us that are innovating within this (e.g. Scrybe is a Pakistani company!) Feel free to come back to Green & White often and connect with us in intellectual discussions on how to bridge the business gap between PK and you.

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  8. Moderation – mostly due to a massive spam attack that is currently going on, perhaps due to an outage at akismet or something.

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  9. Jay: I find it strange that you are discussing politics on a tech forum. I think your comment was off-topic and you should realize that. There are several other countries that do not have democracy [depending on your perception of the term] – so why don’t you lash out at them.

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  10. Ya, probably its because ur story digged.

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