Comments on: Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:44:08 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jeff Wicks http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-944741 Jeff Wicks Thu, 21 May 2009 07:12:13 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-944741 <p>I think devices build themselves by magic elves and you plug them in which activates secret pixie dust inside, which is how things work. Development and networking technologies are just a cover up for said pixie dust.</p> I think devices build themselves by magic elves and you plug them in which activates secret pixie dust inside, which is how things work. Development and networking technologies are just a cover up for said pixie dust.

]]> By: Vmnn http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-893549 Vmnn Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:30:29 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-893549 <p>Saying that the web 2.0 era of the internet will be the death of network engineering, is like saying that utility electricity was the death of electricians. Last I checked, pretty good profession..still to this day.</p> <p>That said, I'd bet that the first time that CTO pluggs into "bad electricity" and looses a few $ trying to "understand" what happened is the day they high a high priced network consulting engineer to pick thier provider.</p> <p>Don't buy into the hype.</p> Saying that the web 2.0 era of the internet will be the death of network engineering, is like saying that utility electricity was the death of electricians. Last I checked, pretty good profession..still to this day.

That said, I’d bet that the first time that CTO pluggs into “bad electricity” and looses a few $ trying to “understand” what happened is the day they high a high priced network consulting engineer to pick thier provider.

Don’t buy into the hype.

]]> By: Interop Vegas, Land of the Inexpensive and Powerful - GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-876275 Interop Vegas, Land of the Inexpensive and Powerful - GigaOM Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:46:12 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-876275 <p>[...] — than I had expected it would be. In fact, I may need to rethink my belief that Web 2.0 has killed the networking engineer, as hordes of my compatriots are here, engaging in lively hallway discussions and even attending an [...]</p> [...] — than I had expected it would be. In fact, I may need to rethink my belief that Web 2.0 has killed the networking engineer, as hordes of my compatriots are here, engaging in lively hallway discussions and even attending an [...]

]]> By: Luke http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-869359 Luke Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:42:27 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-869359 <p>I have to disagree with this CTO. I work for a small ISP and our upstream providers make mistakes when it comes to routing tables. Just last week, ATT typed in the wrong /22 block and was routing someones else IP's to our circuit. This effectively null routed a web server farm in TX that was in now way associated with my company. It took about 4hrs to resolve and the sites this company hosted were down for those 4 hrs. Even if a company's web server are multi-homed with BGP, a Tier1 IXC can still affect routing to their servers. I think this CTO will be in a work of hurt if their upstream provider accidentally null routes them. In that case it will be to little to late.</p> I have to disagree with this CTO. I work for a small ISP and our upstream providers make mistakes when it comes to routing tables. Just last week, ATT typed in the wrong /22 block and was routing someones else IP’s to our circuit. This effectively null routed a web server farm in TX that was in now way associated with my company. It took about 4hrs to resolve and the sites this company hosted were down for those 4 hrs. Even if a company’s web server are multi-homed with BGP, a Tier1 IXC can still affect routing to their servers. I think this CTO will be in a work of hurt if their upstream provider accidentally null routes them. In that case it will be to little to late.

]]> By: G Rhodes http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-865337 G Rhodes Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:58:17 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-865337 <p>My guess is that a CTO who believes that the Internet is something that you can plug into and not worry about will not be a CTO for very long. Even if a company outsourced the support of every router, switch firewall and server in the network, the CTO better have an idea of how it all works so he/she can explain to the CEO why his company is at a total standstill because of a network outage, or why they are being hit with a lawsuit for exposing their customer's credit card numbers to hackers.</p> <p>Have you dealt with the phone company before? That is who is managing this network!!! Good luck.</p> My guess is that a CTO who believes that the Internet is something that you can plug into and not worry about will not be a CTO for very long. Even if a company outsourced the support of every router, switch firewall and server in the network, the CTO better have an idea of how it all works so he/she can explain to the CEO why his company is at a total standstill because of a network outage, or why they are being hit with a lawsuit for exposing their customer’s credit card numbers to hackers.

Have you dealt with the phone company before? That is who is managing this network!!! Good luck.

]]> By: Two Tech Events, Two Different Worlds - GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-864390 Two Tech Events, Two Different Worlds - GigaOM Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:00:49 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-864390 <p>[...] Listening to Jari Arkko, an area director for the IETF, talk about the goals at this IETF meeting, it struck me how much the Internet has changed technology. I’m very much a hardware geek, in love with data center infrastructure, networking and chips, so I am now amazed at what a technology company can do without this level of engineering. [...]</p> [...] Listening to Jari Arkko, an area director for the IETF, talk about the goals at this IETF meeting, it struck me how much the Internet has changed technology. I’m very much a hardware geek, in love with data center infrastructure, networking and chips, so I am now amazed at what a technology company can do without this level of engineering. [...]

]]> By: oldnetengineer http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-663342 oldnetengineer Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:07:18 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-663342 <p>Wow.. I guess we have reach the utopian network. I guess no need to worry about security or anything of that sort. Viruses and stuff are a thing of the past. Oh and we shouldnt worry cause the Millinium Act ( Good ol' Bill Clinton ) made it a crime to decipher encrypted data. So that stopped all those bad guys from getting your information. Oh well how I miss the days of UUCP,MCA,ADA,Decnet, Oh yea that would be before Cisco... Have a lovily dream..</p> Wow.. I guess we have reach the utopian network. I guess no need to worry about security or anything of that sort. Viruses and stuff are a thing of the past. Oh and we shouldnt worry cause the Millinium Act ( Good ol’ Bill Clinton ) made it a crime to decipher encrypted data. So that stopped all those bad guys from getting your information. Oh well how I miss the days of UUCP,MCA,ADA,Decnet, Oh yea that would be before Cisco… Have a lovily dream..

]]> By: The Time Has Come for IPv6 « GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-656747 The Time Has Come for IPv6 « GigaOM Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:02:38 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-656747 <p>[...] what is a typical organization to do? If you’ve been focusing on your web 2.0 application and ignoring the network as technology that just works, the time has come to learn about networking and IPv6. If you’re [...]</p> [...] what is a typical organization to do? If you’ve been focusing on your web 2.0 application and ignoring the network as technology that just works, the time has come to learn about networking and IPv6. If you’re [...]

]]> By: It’s HARDbutWARE » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-629542 It’s HARDbutWARE » Blog Archive » Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:58:12 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-629542 <p>[...] read more | digg story [...]</p> [...] read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer « Hardware http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-597930 Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer « Hardware Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:36:43 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-597930 <p>[...] read more | digg story [...]</p> [...] read more | digg story [...]

]]> By: Motorcycle Guy http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96437 Motorcycle Guy Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:51:43 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96437 <p>I think that CTO is headed in the right direction. I don't think knowing the details of how routers work will be that helpful in the future. I think most of the jobs that are done by a NOC will be outsourced. I don't see why any reasonable american would want to stay up all night responding to snmp errors.</p> I think that CTO is headed in the right direction. I don’t think knowing the details of how routers work will be that helpful in the future. I think most of the jobs that are done by a NOC will be outsourced. I don’t see why any reasonable american would want to stay up all night responding to snmp errors.

]]> By: Network Performance Daily http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96436 Network Performance Daily Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:26:18 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96436 <p><strong>The reports of the death of the network engineer are greatly exaggerated....</strong></p> <p>By Brian Boyko Allan Leinwand at GigaOM has written a story entitled "Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer" about meeting with the CTO of an unnamed Web 2.0 company. There, the CTO said: "The Internet is like electricity.......</p> The reports of the death of the network engineer are greatly exaggerated….

By Brian Boyko Allan Leinwand at GigaOM has written a story entitled “Web 2.0 & Death of the Network Engineer” about meeting with the CTO of an unnamed Web 2.0 company. There, the CTO said: “The Internet is like electricity…….

]]> By: Web Strategy by Jeremiah » Web Strategy Reading, A Roundup http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96435 Web Strategy by Jeremiah » Web Strategy Reading, A Roundup Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:31:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96435 <p>[...] The internet as a utility and the Death of a Network Engineer Like gas, power, and water, The internet is starting to be considered as a utility that can be turned on and off by demand. This impacts both network (pipe) raw computing (processor power) and even data (data storage). What impacts does this have on those that have a career in servicing these companies in the web industry. [...]</p> [...] The internet as a utility and the Death of a Network Engineer Like gas, power, and water, The internet is starting to be considered as a utility that can be turned on and off by demand. This impacts both network (pipe) raw computing (processor power) and even data (data storage). What impacts does this have on those that have a career in servicing these companies in the web industry. [...]

]]> By: Brian Boyko http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96434 Brian Boyko Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:41:05 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96434 <p>Allan:</p> <p>We're likely to publish a blog post at Network Performance Daily on Monday dealing with this story - we would have put it up today but we had some other projects that delayed us.</p> <p>-- Brian Boyko -- Editor, Network Performance Daily</p> Allan:

We’re likely to publish a blog post at Network Performance Daily on Monday dealing with this story – we would have put it up today but we had some other projects that delayed us.

– Brian Boyko – Editor, Network Performance Daily

]]> By: man of the year 1982 « informationcommunication http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96433 man of the year 1982 « informationcommunication Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:33:08 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96433 <p>[...] computer zu benutzen, und begannen das internet zu verwenden“. das internet wird immer mehr elektrizität gleichgesezt. welcher layer werden wir über das “das internet” legen? zeit mein zukünfiges ich zu [...]</p> [...] computer zu benutzen, und begannen das internet zu verwenden“. das internet wird immer mehr elektrizität gleichgesezt. welcher layer werden wir über das “das internet” legen? zeit mein zukünfiges ich zu [...]

]]> By: TimC http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96432 TimC Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:20:36 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/web-20-death-of-the-network-engineer/#comment-96432 <p>My gut feeling is any company that has put someone into the position of <em>CTO</em> who doesn't think it's necessary to know the technology they are built upon, is going to fail.</p> <p>There comes a point in your growth (assuming you continue to grow) where it is no longer economically feasible to grow while paying someone else to build it for you. Not only that, sooner or later you're going to realize that a one-size-fits-all solution is not going to get the performance you're inevitably going to need to get out of your hardware/software to continue to be profitable. This is all IP, and if you're letting someone else do it for you, unless you have a contract wizard of a lawyer, you can expect they will be selling it to your competitors as well.</p> <p>Enough rambling, no, I don't think the internet and it's infrastructure is like electricity, nor do I think it ever will be.</p> My gut feeling is any company that has put someone into the position of CTO who doesn’t think it’s necessary to know the technology they are built upon, is going to fail.

There comes a point in your growth (assuming you continue to grow) where it is no longer economically feasible to grow while paying someone else to build it for you. Not only that, sooner or later you’re going to realize that a one-size-fits-all solution is not going to get the performance you’re inevitably going to need to get out of your hardware/software to continue to be profitable. This is all IP, and if you’re letting someone else do it for you, unless you have a contract wizard of a lawyer, you can expect they will be selling it to your competitors as well.

Enough rambling, no, I don’t think the internet and it’s infrastructure is like electricity, nor do I think it ever will be.

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