I’ve been following the UMPC community with great interest as they try every trick in the book to get Vista drivers for the XP Tablet Edition based Samsung Q1s. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to run whatever operating system they want on their device; heck, […]

Vistagami_1I’ve been following the UMPC community with great interest as they try every trick in the book to get Vista drivers for the XP Tablet Edition based Samsung Q1s. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to run whatever operating system they want on their device; heck, regular readers know I’ve spent hours, days even, trying to get Vista up and running on my Q1. I’ve gone as far as I can go without officially supported Vista drivers and that’s good enough for now.

Today I see that folks tried the HID drivers from the Q1P for Vista on older Q1s but to no avail. I’m going to make a bold statement and in reality, I hope I’m wrong. Really, I want Samsung to prove me wrong on the following: I suspect we won’t see HID drivers for the original Q1s. There’s a few reasons on my guess, and it’s just a guess….

  1. Samsung has had the Q1P for Vista in process for at least two or three months. Even by starting with the base Q1 hardware, it takes at least that long to get a device tested and out to your retail channels. With all that time, why haven’t we seen HID drivers yet?
  2. Samsung is under no obligation to provide Vista drivers. While we all (myself included) want to run the latest and greatest, the devices were never advertised by Samsung as Vista Capable.
  3. Providing Vista drivers for the original Q1s, Q1Bs and Q1Ps could prove to be a support nightmare for Samsung; one that maybe they’re not willing to take. Think about it: some of these devices only have 512 MB of RAM. There are three different processors between the three units. It just becomes difficult to support a device when you have more and more configurations. They already support these three devices in various iterations with Windows XP Tablet Edition. Add Vista to the mix and you just doubled the number of system configurations you need to support.

Like I said up front, I truly hope I’m wrong. I’d love to see full Tablet functionality in Vista on my Q1P. For now, I’ll leave it in the dual boot setup with XP and Vista and keep waiting for Samsung to prove me wrong. Even if they don’t, I won’t hold it against them: they marketed a Windows XP Tablet device and that’s exactly what I have. Getting Vista 95% functional on it is icing on the cake for me.

  1. I hear what you are saying. I’d probably add another reason. Samsung hoped to sell 100,000 Q1’s and fell short of the goal. I can’t imagine why they would go out of their way to offer the same user experience on last year’s model whew they’ve got new ones to sell! I finally joined the Vista “social”: No dual boot for me! so far, so good. Those extra drivers that the guys put on the web and the registry hack to tell Vista it’s a tablet are working pretty well.

  2. That’s the only thing I need for my Q1P is the HID drivers. I have formated my drive and removed Tablet Edition and have gone full Vista. Like Kevin said hopefully Samsung will release the Vista drivers for the Q1P; if anything just the HID would good enough. Maybe we can some how get the BIOS version and restore DVD from the new Vista Q1P released and try it on our Q1’s.

  3. Mickey Segal Monday, March 19, 2007

    Companies such as Motion Computing that issue detailed instructions for upgrading to Vista should be commended for doing so, and this should be remembered as one of the types of support that makes one more likely to be a repeat customer.

    In addition to support from the manufacturers, we can collect our own tips for Vista transitions, such as those on the Mobile PC Wiki:

  4. Well, Kevin, I’m not expecting anything from Samsung at this point. But… at this moment using the Q1p drivers I got everything working in my Q1 but the HID Driver as you noticed from my post at my blog. But… when I wrote that note I did not have all the information I have at this moment.

    We have been making a big mistake reintalling the Touchkit after installing all the drivers from the Q1p. I wont enter in any details yet because I still in the process of testing everything and making it work. But I can tell you one thing at this moment. We have everything that it’s needed to get our Q1 with HID Driver support. The only problem is that we still don’t know how to make it work. But… I certain that we can make it work.

    I’ll write a note with all my findings later today. We will make it work with or without Samsung and at this moment I will say that I’m closer than ever to make it work without Samsung. It’s just a matter of time.

  5. BTW, I also would like to invite all Q1 owners that want to install Vista to start using the Q1p Vista drivers. You will get a lot more than if you stay using the old drivers.

  6. *sigh* As usual, I’m out of the loop and the last to know. HID — is that the universal interface for Bluetooth devices?

    Having molested the hell out of a Q1 with XP installed, I find the HWR works fine even if the ink feedback looks like hell (the trick is to ignore the ink and watch the wee recognition box underneath!). I guess if I wanted to use something like inking in OneNote, the way the ink looks would worry me. But if I’m not going to use inking in OneNote, are there other objections to just using an XPed Q1?

  7. Mike, it’s not the way the ink looks kind of issue, it’s an issue with the OS not recognizing your UMPC as a Tablet PC and due to that you are not gaining access to all the Tablet PC features included under Vista. We are talking about processes as important as learning from your handwriting to give you an idea.

  8. Kevin C. Tofel Tuesday, March 20, 2007

    HID is Human Interface Device. You know, similar to the hole in the back of Neo’s head in the Matrix? ;) Seriously, it’s the device driver that’s needed for the touchscreen unit to be recognized as a true tablet in the OS.

    Actually, anyone who isn’t liking the ink sampling on a Q1 should check the tweak I posted last year. http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2006/11/constant_touch_.html

    It doesn’t take the place of HID drivers of course, but you can visually see the ink difference by working with the Constant Touch setting.

  9. Thanks Tax Man, but that’s not the end of that. We keep trying and we are going to get it right. ;)

  10. Kevin, is not an issue anymore with how the ink looks. It’s an issue with what you can get, see and use because of not having HID Support.

    But like I said in my latest post at my blog, we know already what is causing the problem and we are working in how to get it right. And one thing is for sure… the one causing the whole problem is that same TouchPack kit that you are trying to use to fix the problem. ;)

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