Comments on: The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/ Tracking the Internet Evolution Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:35:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Adobe AIR & Its Hybrid App Dreams - GigaOM http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-862982 Adobe AIR & Its Hybrid App Dreams - GigaOM Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:54 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-862982 <p>[...] The Coming Apollo vs Firefox Battle. [...]</p> [...] The Coming Apollo vs Firefox Battle. [...]

]]> By: When Firefox and Apollo unite! http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-600941 When Firefox and Apollo unite! Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:34:41 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-600941 <p>[...] to be deliberately contrary, no matter what all of the good books say about great headline writing, I have to disagree with Anne Zelenka’s recent post on GigaOM: “Adobe announced the public alpha of its Apollo development framework that allows developers to [...]</p> [...] to be deliberately contrary, no matter what all of the good books say about great headline writing, I have to disagree with Anne Zelenka’s recent post on GigaOM: “Adobe announced the public alpha of its Apollo development framework that allows developers to [...]

]]> By: Wen http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-520032 Wen Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:00:20 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-520032 <p>There are definitely a number of players in this area. Here's an a good article: <a href="http://www.taubler.com/articles/article_Java_Swings_Well_with_Hybrid_Web_Desktop_Applications?id=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.taubler.com/articles/article_Java_Swings_Well_with_Hybrid_Web_Desktop_Applications?id=4</a> describing Java's role in the mix (and how Java has played one of the earliest roles in the whole hybrid desktop/web model).</p> There are definitely a number of players in this area. Here’s an a good article: http://www.taubler.com/articles/article_Java_Swings_Well_with_Hybrid_Web_Desktop_Applications?id=4 describing Java’s role in the mix (and how Java has played one of the earliest roles in the whole hybrid desktop/web model).

]]> By: Kurs http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-465935 Kurs Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:57:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-465935 <p>I am really glad Adobe is getting into browser business as well. This will definitely loosen microsofts grip on browsers also. Browsers are migrating from monopoly to oligopoly now!</p> I am really glad Adobe is getting into browser business as well. This will definitely loosen microsofts grip on browsers also. Browsers are migrating from monopoly to oligopoly now!

]]> By: tecosystems » How Too Rich For My Taste: The RIA Q&A http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93476 tecosystems » How Too Rich For My Taste: The RIA Q&A Wed, 23 May 2007 19:16:32 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93476 <p>[...] the vendor oriented initiatives: what of the alternatives? A: Glad you asked. Back in March, Anne posited that the real threat to Apollo was Firefox, not Silverlight. I think she’s correct in her [...]</p> [...] the vendor oriented initiatives: what of the alternatives? A: Glad you asked. Back in March, Anne posited that the real threat to Apollo was Firefox, not Silverlight. I think she’s correct in her [...]

]]> By: the rasx() context » Blog Archive » OpenLaszlo, Adobe Apollo and Firefox 3 http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93475 the rasx() context » Blog Archive » OpenLaszlo, Adobe Apollo and Firefox 3 Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:20:40 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93475 <p>[...] Zelenka for GigaOM.com in “The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle” [...]</p> [...] Zelenka for GigaOM.com in “The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle” [...]

]]> By: Mike Downey » Apollo Alpha release link roundup http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93474 Mike Downey » Apollo Alpha release link roundup Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:04:29 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93474 <p>[...] GigaOM >> The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle [...]</p> [...] GigaOM >> The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle [...]

]]> By: GigaOM » Desktop Apps, reborn as hybrids http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93473 GigaOM » Desktop Apps, reborn as hybrids Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:00:10 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93473 <p>[...] is the confluence of announcements and collective realization about the realities of today. The recent launches of Adobe Apollo and Yahoo Widgets 4, and Joyent’s SlingShot along with the upcoming Firefox 3 are signs that [...]</p> [...] is the confluence of announcements and collective realization about the realities of today. The recent launches of Adobe Apollo and Yahoo Widgets 4, and Joyent’s SlingShot along with the upcoming Firefox 3 are signs that [...]

]]> By: GigaOM » The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle « A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93472 GigaOM » The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle « A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:57:15 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93472 <p>[...] GigaOM » The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle [...]</p> [...] GigaOM » The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle [...]

]]> By: Chad Perrin: SOB » Apollo 1.0 — not exactly the moon http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93471 Chad Perrin: SOB » Apollo 1.0 — not exactly the moon Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:49:51 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93471 <p>[...] Anne Zelenka dares to suggest that it's not really about an Apollo vs. Microsoft battle, but The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle. She makes some excellent points, like the fact that Firefox v3 will be aiming at support for [...]</p> [...] Anne Zelenka dares to suggest that it’s not really about an Apollo vs. Microsoft battle, but The Coming Apollo vs. Firefox Battle. She makes some excellent points, like the fact that Firefox v3 will be aiming at support for [...]

]]> By: Anne Zelenka http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93463 Anne Zelenka Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:13:06 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93463 <p>Chuck: I wonder if putting Apollo up against desktop apps is missing the advance it represents. It could be that Apollo just allows developers to do desktop apps with a little bit of web. However, given that it uses web development techniques from the ground up (that is, if you consider Flash/Flex a web dev technique) it could be more a middle ground or a new paradigm than a return to desktop.</p> <p>Do people care now how their desktop apps look? Trillian's new client will launch from the browser but run independently of the browser. Maybe it won't look exactly like a native app, but have people been trained by the varying interfaces in web apps to be more accepting of UI differences?</p> <p>As browsers get more features, like offline mode and perhaps browser chrome-less apps, then they look more and more like Apollo. Single-platform desktop development environments don't look much like it.</p> Chuck: I wonder if putting Apollo up against desktop apps is missing the advance it represents. It could be that Apollo just allows developers to do desktop apps with a little bit of web. However, given that it uses web development techniques from the ground up (that is, if you consider Flash/Flex a web dev technique) it could be more a middle ground or a new paradigm than a return to desktop.

Do people care now how their desktop apps look? Trillian’s new client will launch from the browser but run independently of the browser. Maybe it won’t look exactly like a native app, but have people been trained by the varying interfaces in web apps to be more accepting of UI differences?

As browsers get more features, like offline mode and perhaps browser chrome-less apps, then they look more and more like Apollo. Single-platform desktop development environments don’t look much like it.

]]> By: Mike Collins http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93462 Mike Collins Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:12:31 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93462 <p>Good article, but to me Apollo is about controlling the whole experience.</p> <p>Just glance up to your title on your browser to see who wants to be in control.</p> <p>I can't help but think every Fortune 500 has always wanted this type of control, it just wasn't available.</p> Good article, but to me Apollo is about controlling the whole experience.

Just glance up to your title on your browser to see who wants to be in control.

I can’t help but think every Fortune 500 has always wanted this type of control, it just wasn’t available.

]]> By: Chuck http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93470 Chuck Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:32:30 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93470 <p>If Apollo wants to build desktop apps, it is competing with Windows, MacOS, et al., not Firefox. We'll see how "Skype, ICQ, Outlook, Thunderbird, Joost, Azureus, iTunes, the Browser" look on Apollo vs. the native OS.</p> If Apollo wants to build desktop apps, it is competing with Windows, MacOS, et al., not Firefox. We’ll see how “Skype, ICQ, Outlook, Thunderbird, Joost, Azureus, iTunes, the Browser” look on Apollo vs. the native OS.

]]> By: John Dowdell http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93467 John Dowdell Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:51:48 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93467 <p>Anne: Either "John" or "jd" works for me, thanks. Matthew hit pretty strongly on the "html AND swf" angle for me... Dreamweaver and ColdFusion had always been very important businesses to Macromedia. These days I see Adobe trying to secure revenues by making bigger pies -- raising the tides -- investing in technology areas where many others can also make their own profits. It's hard to afford a go-it-alone warfare model... Adobe's betting that rich ecologies sustain all players, imho.</p> <p>Harray Caray (Cubs fan?) hypothesizes that legalese might hide a dollar-per-member fee. Me, I'd see such sneakiness as harming the platform -- would be a clear negative, would risk the long-term business. Macromedia already has experience with largescale customer-pushback campaigns (Shockwave Remote, MX 2004, Weatherbug), so there's high awareness among decisionmakers about the vital need to not piss people off.</p> <p>(Charlie, if you suspect Mozilla has been co-opted, then have you read Brendan Eich's piece from last week?)</p> <p>jd/adobe</p> Anne: Either “John” or “jd” works for me, thanks. Matthew hit pretty strongly on the “html AND swf” angle for me… Dreamweaver and ColdFusion had always been very important businesses to Macromedia. These days I see Adobe trying to secure revenues by making bigger pies — raising the tides — investing in technology areas where many others can also make their own profits. It’s hard to afford a go-it-alone warfare model… Adobe’s betting that rich ecologies sustain all players, imho.

Harray Caray (Cubs fan?) hypothesizes that legalese might hide a dollar-per-member fee. Me, I’d see such sneakiness as harming the platform — would be a clear negative, would risk the long-term business. Macromedia already has experience with largescale customer-pushback campaigns (Shockwave Remote, MX 2004, Weatherbug), so there’s high awareness among decisionmakers about the vital need to not piss people off.

(Charlie, if you suspect Mozilla has been co-opted, then have you read Brendan Eich’s piece from last week?)

jd/adobe

]]> By: Wayne Smallman http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93468 Wayne Smallman Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:33:09 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93468 <p>"[Tamarin] Team Members</p> <p>The core members of the team are currently:</p> <pre><code>* Dan Smith, Adobe, Tamarin module owner * Igor Bukanov, Mozilla, engineer * Brian Crowder, Mozilla, engineer * Jeff Dyer, Adobe, compiler architect * Brendan Eich, Mozilla, CTO and JavaScript creator * Graydon Hoare, Mozilla, engineer * Steven Johnson, Adobe, Tamarin developer * Edwin Smith, Adobe, Tamarin creator and VM architect * Tom Reilly, Adobe, Tamarin garbage collector developer * Rick Reitmaier, Adobe, Tamarin JIT developer * Erik Tierney, Adobe, Tamarin developer" </code></pre> <p>Sort of puts the idea of Mozilla threatening Adobe Apollo to bed, somewhat, don't you think?</p> “[Tamarin] Team Members

The core members of the team are currently:

* Dan Smith, Adobe, Tamarin module owner
* Igor Bukanov, Mozilla, engineer
* Brian Crowder, Mozilla, engineer
* Jeff Dyer, Adobe, compiler architect
* Brendan Eich, Mozilla, CTO and JavaScript creator
* Graydon Hoare, Mozilla, engineer
* Steven Johnson, Adobe, Tamarin developer
* Edwin Smith, Adobe, Tamarin creator and VM architect
* Tom Reilly, Adobe, Tamarin garbage collector developer
* Rick Reitmaier, Adobe, Tamarin JIT developer
* Erik Tierney, Adobe, Tamarin developer"

Sort of puts the idea of Mozilla threatening Adobe Apollo to bed, somewhat, don’t you think?

]]> By: Eric B http://gigaom.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93466 Eric B Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:59:27 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/the-coming-apollo-vs-firefox-battle/#comment-93466 <p>@RYK: One would assume that developing an app using Apollo would be easier than using Java, but who knows.</p> <p>As for all this talk of offline applications. When are we ever offline anymore?</p> @RYK: One would assume that developing an app using Apollo would be easier than using Java, but who knows.

As for all this talk of offline applications. When are we ever offline anymore?

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