Comments on: Mobile Media needs Mobile CDNs

By: Mathew

Mathew — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:54:22 +0000

We are sure Mobile CDN will be mainstream.

Mobile CDN is both:

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By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:11:21 +0000

Great niche to go after for Mobilecdn.net.

But could the niche turn into the mainstream??

By: AI

AI — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:37:12 +0000

See a need. Fill a need.

Great strategy for Mobilecdn.com

What are the other CDN's doing in mobile? I never see many products for mobile?

By: Dave Q

Dave Q — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:07:43 +0000

It is obvious that a Mobile specific CDN will have huge advantages over tradition 1st Generation (Akamai) and 2nd generation (Limelight) CDNs. That advantage is going to be an understanding about the end user and their experience on the most popular platform - mobile.

The problem: Mobile networks block rtsp stremaing in some instances (Verizon), proxy content (Vodafone) and generally make it expensive and unpredictable to deliver decent content to mobile. A mobile CDN that solves these issues will be a winner (maybe not this year or next year but definitely in the future as mobile content becomes more popular.

A mobile CDN should have close proximity to MNO’s gateways (GGSN/PDSN) and simplify the delivery of mobile media experiences to vast array mobile devices and non-standardized mobile environment.

The 3rd generation CDN will be made-for-mobile (any device anywhere any time) which means a much deeper understanding of media consumers (device, network and interests). I hear that (link) is gaining some major backing at this time to meet these needs. They supposedly have already established a direct peering relationship with major MNOs and have some very intelligent edge computing that solves the mobile specific delivery issues.

By: tex

tex — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:49:53 +0000

The bottleneck is not the core network, nor is it the wireless link from the tower to the handset, but it is the multiple T1s from the MSC to the tower site. Placing a CDN at the tower theoretically helps that problem, but since all of the traffic is controlled from the switch how do you put the data at the tower without having to route it back through the switch?

By: VC

VC — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:33:22 +0000

Let me give a perspective from mobile carriers - was an executive till recently and this was how I defended "walled gardens".

Who would you call when something goes wrong on your PC? I bet it would not be your DSL provider or cable provider.

Who would you callwhen something doesn't work on the mobile phone? The carrier. So poor carrier has to pay for infrastructure and the customer service, in return they need something.

I would say we need to develop a good model for mobile phones to get those phones out of the clutches of mobile operators and then start talking about dismantling walled gardens. Till then, we will need the gardens and we will need all kinds of CDNs.

My 2 cents. Thanks.

By: Tia

Tia — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:25:00 +0000

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By: Mike Kelly

Mike Kelly — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:33:02 +0000

Allan...great post. Very timely discussion with the recent announcements around Sprint TV and Verizion's mobile TV offering.

To answer Alex and Matt's question regarding who is in the Mobile-CDN space, I wanted to point out Ortiva wireless who were covered in Katie's recent post, (http://gigaom.com/2007/02/19/mobile-video/)

The variable nature of mobile networks does not lend itself for content delivery. The elasticity in the network requires an elastic delivery mechanism in order to deliver a crisp experience with mobile content.

Because Ortiva’s M-CDN technology functions at the application layer, they are able to optimize mobile content with existing networks and handsets.

By monitoring the feedback loop from the handset and analyzing the data to evaluate network conidtions for each user, Ortiva's M-CDN can make real time adjustments to the content being delivered.

Using the M-CDN, mobile carriers are able to deliver optimized content in crowded network conditions, using less bandwidth.

The ability of mobile carriers to deliver optimized content that will engage the end user will be key for widespread adoption of mobile TV/video.

By: tomo

tomo — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:26:41 +0000

its like a 1998-1999 boomtime for datacenters, cdn and asp(now called SaaS) which the 98-99 boom @ the time was ten years too early. back to the point that was brought up about solving for the last mile on wirless networks. it wont work if cdn’s go old school and put node in wireless sites(the spots where the network converts to airwaves from terrestrial) because in order to make it work each cdn would have to build a distribution node in each wirekess site and thatll be tough on way too many logistical, physical, operational fronts to make it work. if they go this route of buiklding distribution nodes in wirekess centers it could work if the cdn’s agreed to peer with each other. theoretically in doing so they ecome resellers of each others services and eliminate the need to have each cdn build their own infrastucture out in each wireledd node. that would entaik lots of cooperation amongst the cdn players and hell has a better chance of freezing over than akamai cooperatng. IMHO wifi or wimax is the ticket and can work in an almost peer to peer type architecture with all wifi nodes cacheing the data and re-serving it to its connected users. this would allow for revenue dharing amongst the node operator, hw vendor(if its free which eventually it will be free to the user even if somebody is subsidizing giving away products that, over their lifetime, will consume power valued @ more than 10X the cost of the hw in the first place. power companies or advertising companies will find the cost of giving it away is less than the revenue generated from marketing to you. that last scenario is pretty grassroots from a real high level but grassroots works and works quite well with social interaction driven svcs which wireless 2.0 will be…we’re barely graduating wireless 1.0 now

By: Pushpendra Mohta

Pushpendra Mohta — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:37:25 +0000

In the broadband internet, CDNs solved the latency at the browser by caching content at the ISP points of presence (POP) as close to the end user as possible and by redirecting the user to that POP. The aggregate bandwidth of the last mile networks was several multiples of the bandwidth in the core, so this worked well - at least for read only assets like images and media downloads. I designed a few of these myself from my time at CERFnet and AT&T, and believe they are an elegant solution.

The mobile environment is different. To be sure, the basic physics of bring content to the user, rather than the user to content, to improve performance works - but that is not quite what makes a mobile application compelling.

Several companies, now in the dead pool, tried their hand at transcoding networks that would re-purpose popular internet applications and content for mobile. This only worked for the most basic of text oriented applications, got you out of the gate quickly, but did not require large bandwidths. These companies, from the days when WAP was going to solve all problems, were arguably early and mobile networks and devices are barely getting to be usable even now.

None the less - the big insight was that compelling mobile applications are not just re-purposed broadband applications - they need to be woven into the "mobile context" with a big nod to "attention management"

The business mobile user is time constrained - they want must-have information pushed to them modulated by their presence, availability, location, role, device type and event subscriptions.

The consumer mobile user is looking for online or live media content in bite-sized chunks to match the bite-sized attention slots they have available when they are mobile. (The rest you can arguably bulk load like you do on your ipod today)

Finally, the mobile environment is also more suited to the publication of user generated content (impromptu pictures, video clips). This upstream publishing is only marginally improved by edge-based CDNs.

None of this therefore screams for mobile CDNs in the near term.

I would argue that the "walled garden" (fixed decks, carrier lock on location and presence data etc), lack of content and of applications purpose built for the mobile environment are what needs to be fixed first.

By: Matt Maier

Matt Maier — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:23:23 +0000

It would have been helpful to use at least one real-world name or example to help illustrate the (quite good) point you’re trying to make. Who (or what) were some of the CDN’s used in the broadband world, and who is trying to replicate something similar for cell networks.

Inquiring minds want to know…

By: Bob

Bob — Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:46:52 +0000

Excellent discussion, and I believe tracking on the right path. Particularly important are the comments about early CDNs and the core problem they solved. Getting content to the edge is not the problem with mobile, ensuring a consistent user experience using a highly variable network is the problem. Upgrades to networks will help some with downloads, where the average bit rate, combined wtih error rate, will determine the speed of the download and in turn the user experience. However, with real-time applications like streaming, managing instantaneous network conditions is the key to ensuring high QoE. Having spoken with numerous mobile operators, I am convinced they get this, even if they don’t all have a clear plan for how to address it. Adding complexity is the proliferation of networks and devices. Mobile CDNs, if they are to add any value, must address both network/device complexity AND network fluctuations to improve the user experience and offer content providers and carriers greater efficiency. Thanks for launching this conversation Allan, it is critical for this ecosystem that we all realize that existing CDNs won’t solve the core problems associated with mobile media.

By: das

das — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:34:07 +0000

CDNs in the early internet solved the core network having insufficient speed to deliver to the edge.

In mobile, the bottleneck is not the core network. It is the wireless link from the tower to the HS. Placing a CDN at the edge (ie at the tower) does not solve the problem.

Granted, transcoding, traffic shaping and other techniques to better format content for HS constraints helps, but this is not the core CDN move content to the edge argument.

By: Charlie Sierra

Charlie Sierra — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:22:19 +0000

ROTFLMAO!!!

Oh this just brought back a memory of mine with Sprint PCS. Prior to the Virgin MVNO announcement and the 1xRTT light up, in a meeting with the folks at Sprint (who always pride themselves on being the most innovative wireless data operator) I asked these guys what kinda of CDN setup were they planning, and all they could do was ask what's a CDN. Opps. lols.

The biggest obstacle to our intuitively obvious wireless future are the carriers themselves. The sooner they conform to Googin's Law the better we'll be.

By: Allan Leinwand

Allan Leinwand — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:58:55 +0000

Raindeer - I absolutely agree with your first statement. We need to cellular providers or the content owners to own the job of moving the content. The technology is there to do website transformation and to play media over the cellular networks, although the experience may be less not of the best quality. However, I would contend that we need a CDN for mobile because, just like the traditional CDNs, moving content close to the limited last mile (or 3G connection in this case) can produce substantial performance benefits if done intelligently. Various folks will argue their methods are the most intelligent and I’m waiting for the market to vote.

Alex - I did not cover specific companies as I have spoken to a few, but not all of the players in this space. Also, Katie did a nice job speaking to specific companies earlier this year in this post (link) .

By: Alex

Alex — Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:32:37 +0000

This is an interesting tidbit, but I am a bit perplexed by a post that talks about a new market yet does not disclose the name of a company in it. Maybe you could update the post with some references to companies in the mobile CDN business to validate your statement: “And now, we’re seeing new CDNs focused on delivering digital media over the limited data rates of today’s cellular networks.”

I, for one, would really appreciate the addition. Thanks.