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		<title>By: I&#8217;ll Bring the Party Hats, You Bring the Presence &#171; ElephantDrive</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91575</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;ll Bring the Party Hats, You Bring the Presence &#171; ElephantDrive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Bring the Party Hats, You Bring the&#160;Presence  On Tuesday of this week, Paul Kapustka interviewed Alec Saunders, who, in addition to having the same last name as a number of my relatives, is one of [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bring the Party Hats, You Bring the&nbsp;Presence  On Tuesday of this week, Paul Kapustka interviewed Alec Saunders, who, in addition to having the same last name as a number of my relatives, is one of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kapustka</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91577</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kapustka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would check with Alec and iotum, but I believe they are also working on selective presence -- saw Alec demonstrating a version of Talk-Now that showed different messages (available, not available) to different people on the list. To me, that's the kind of granularity needed to be successful since I am not in the same state of availability to all people at the same time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, might it not be more of a pain to set all the parameters than to just look at caller ID? Think the jury is still out on this one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would check with Alec and iotum, but I believe they are also working on selective presence &#8212; saw Alec demonstrating a version of Talk-Now that showed different messages (available, not available) to different people on the list. To me, that&#8217;s the kind of granularity needed to be successful since I am not in the same state of availability to all people at the same time.</p>
<p>That said, might it not be more of a pain to set all the parameters than to just look at caller ID? Think the jury is still out on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Petteri Koponen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91573</link>
		<dc:creator>Petteri Koponen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Marcus --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't believe this is a major threat, although I expect that in the future Jaiku users will have more and more private accounts; this allows them to share their rich presence only with their contacts. The key reason for this, however, is not security, but the need to share more intimate things and to have more personal interaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If somebody wanted to stalk a person that would be quite easy to by just following her blog, Flickr account, Plazes page, MySpace page, etc Aggregation does not provide much added value for such a person. In addition, a person can quite easily fake her Jaiku presence; according to our user studies, this is quite an important feature :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that the most important thing is that the users of online services realize which actions are public and which are not, so that no accidental data exposure happen. Although we believe that the old-fashioned ways are still much more easier and efficient for burglars, we are constantly thinking about the ways to improve privacy and identity protection; the next major release will include some new features in this area.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marcus &#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe this is a major threat, although I expect that in the future Jaiku users will have more and more private accounts; this allows them to share their rich presence only with their contacts. The key reason for this, however, is not security, but the need to share more intimate things and to have more personal interaction.</p>
<p>If somebody wanted to stalk a person that would be quite easy to by just following her blog, Flickr account, Plazes page, MySpace page, etc Aggregation does not provide much added value for such a person. In addition, a person can quite easily fake her Jaiku presence; according to our user studies, this is quite an important feature :-)</p>
<p>I think that the most important thing is that the users of online services realize which actions are public and which are not, so that no accidental data exposure happen. Although we believe that the old-fashioned ways are still much more easier and efficient for burglars, we are constantly thinking about the ways to improve privacy and identity protection; the next major release will include some new features in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Goebel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91583</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Goebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello Petteri,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;don't you think that Jaiku might be a little bit too "holistic"?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jaiku's website gives up to the minute news about where people are and what they are doing. Isn't this a nice service to burglars who want to pay a visit to their home while they are "On my way to work..." or "off to Thailand for two weeks".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice stalker service! :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It reminds me of the people who accidentally published their Google calendars with most intimate timetables. This was also a nice burglar service, described in a blog post "Death by Google Calendar: How I Identified you to rob you".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jaiku seems to take this service to new spheres by bringing up to the minutes news - and not only weeks old calendars.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Petteri,</p>
<p>don&#8217;t you think that Jaiku might be a little bit too &#8220;holistic&#8221;?</p>
<p>Jaiku&#8217;s website gives up to the minute news about where people are and what they are doing. Isn&#8217;t this a nice service to burglars who want to pay a visit to their home while they are &#8220;On my way to work&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;off to Thailand for two weeks&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nice stalker service! :)</p>
<p>It reminds me of the people who accidentally published their Google calendars with most intimate timetables. This was also a nice burglar service, described in a blog post &#8220;Death by Google Calendar: How I Identified you to rob you&#8221;.</p>
<p>Jaiku seems to take this service to new spheres by bringing up to the minutes news - and not only weeks old calendars.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Maeir</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91570</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Maeir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Marcus's comment above. American businesses are too USA centric. As someone from www.mig33.com mentioned at the recent Etel Launchpad that Om co-sponsored - sure there are 200m cellphones in the US,but there are 2b in the rest of the world.
This Reminds me what a very successful businessman - Bob Huang of Synnex ($6b sales)said to me 20 years ago "Moshe, I am afraid to sell to New York and you want me to sell to Israel??"
While some things have changed in 20 years, unfortunately this outlook still prevails.
Ken Camp also highlighted this in his blog at http://ipadventures.com/?p=1645&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Marcus&#8217;s comment above. American businesses are too USA centric. As someone from  (<a href="http://www.mig33.com" rel="nofollow">link</a>)  mentioned at the recent Etel Launchpad that Om co-sponsored - sure there are 200m cellphones in the US,but there are 2b in the rest of the world.<br />
This Reminds me what a very successful businessman - Bob Huang of Synnex ($6b sales)said to me 20 years ago &#8220;Moshe, I am afraid to sell to New York and you want me to sell to Israel??&#8221;<br />
While some things have changed in 20 years, unfortunately this outlook still prevails.<br />
Ken Camp also highlighted this in his blog at  (<a href="http://ipadventures.com/?p=1645" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: Petteri Koponen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91579</link>
		<dc:creator>Petteri Koponen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There seems to be quite a few approaches towards presence at the moment. At Jaiku, we talk about "rich presence", that is, a holistic picture about what a person is doing. We extract this information not just from mobile handsets, but also from different online services and communities. This is quite close to the "lifestream" concept that was invented by Stowe Boyd quite a while ago.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are using rich presence information to bring the phone book alive. Instead of just showing whether a contact is available or not, it provides the user with "social peripheral vision": she has a feeling of being closer to her family and friends and is more likely to react to their activities, for example by calling them or sending them a message. I totally agree with Alec that this is a winning equation, but then again, I might be slightly biased :-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Best, Petteri from Jaiku.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be quite a few approaches towards presence at the moment. At Jaiku, we talk about &#8220;rich presence&#8221;, that is, a holistic picture about what a person is doing. We extract this information not just from mobile handsets, but also from different online services and communities. This is quite close to the &#8220;lifestream&#8221; concept that was invented by Stowe Boyd quite a while ago.</p>
<p>We are using rich presence information to bring the phone book alive. Instead of just showing whether a contact is available or not, it provides the user with &#8220;social peripheral vision&#8221;: she has a feeling of being closer to her family and friends and is more likely to react to their activities, for example by calling them or sending them a message. I totally agree with Alec that this is a winning equation, but then again, I might be slightly biased :-)</p>
<p>Best, Petteri from Jaiku.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91581</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I really need is a way to signal different availability states for different callers and topics.  E.g., I'm available to boss, wife, or anyone who wants to tell me my house is burning down.  And, rather than me trying to anticipate my rapidly changing receptiveness to different kind of communications, the ideal system would let the other party announce their interest in communicating with me, and then allow me to respond or ignore based on my current state.  Or, if I was particularly interested in a certain communication, I could announce to them, and let them respond.  Kind of like a telephone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I really need is a way to signal different availability states for different callers and topics.  E.g., I&#8217;m available to boss, wife, or anyone who wants to tell me my house is burning down.  And, rather than me trying to anticipate my rapidly changing receptiveness to different kind of communications, the ideal system would let the other party announce their interest in communicating with me, and then allow me to respond or ignore based on my current state.  Or, if I was particularly interested in a certain communication, I could announce to them, and let them respond.  Kind of like a telephone.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep Sahai</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91574</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandeep Sahai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, not sure whether this will enhance or give new dimension to telecom services.
What i feel right now is added new feature like presence will not help. Infact adding new domain into telecom will help.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, when entertaintment industry joined hands with telecom, a whole new industry is created.
Similarly innovation and ideas should be focus on how to bring yet another industry in circumference of Telecom domain, may be Health or may be finance...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good Luck Alec&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not sure whether this will enhance or give new dimension to telecom services.<br />
What i feel right now is added new feature like presence will not help. Infact adding new domain into telecom will help.</p>
<p>For example, when entertaintment industry joined hands with telecom, a whole new industry is created.<br />
Similarly innovation and ideas should be focus on how to bring yet another industry in circumference of Telecom domain, may be Health or may be finance&#8230;</p>
<p>Good Luck Alec</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91572</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the idea of presence is rendered moot by converged phones.  If I have IM, email and telephone on one device already why do I need yet another server to track my availability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree companies gain from the ability to efficiently reach their employees, but we have that capability now with single number reach, unified messaging and IM.  So where is the business value?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea of presence is rendered moot by converged phones.  If I have IM, email and telephone on one device already why do I need yet another server to track my availability.</p>
<p>I agree companies gain from the ability to efficiently reach their employees, but we have that capability now with single number reach, unified messaging and IM.  So where is the business value?</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Goebel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91568</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Goebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I even needed time to realize that Alec also has a company, besides of being a great blogger. I like his blog very much and read it daily.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;iotum's presence software seems to evidence that we can save us from the technology driven information and availability overload only by even more technology.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The habits are changing. People expect more and more availability and don't respect times for privacy. Three days ago a company boss, that I had inverviewed before, called me at 10 PM when I was in bed already.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Higher ranking Blackberry users don't need iotum. They have a secretary to filter their calls.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I even needed time to realize that Alec also has a company, besides of being a great blogger. I like his blog very much and read it daily.</p>
<p>iotum&#8217;s presence software seems to evidence that we can save us from the technology driven information and availability overload only by even more technology.</p>
<p>The habits are changing. People expect more and more availability and don&#8217;t respect times for privacy. Three days ago a company boss, that I had inverviewed before, called me at 10 PM when I was in bed already.</p>
<p>Higher ranking Blackberry users don&#8217;t need iotum. They have a secretary to filter their calls.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Presence matters. &#171; mattroberts.com</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91566</link>
		<dc:creator>Presence matters. &#171; mattroberts.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] March 7th, 2007 &#183; No Comments  Alec Saunders of Iotum fame. just did a brief interview with Paul Kapustka at GigaOM. [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] March 7th, 2007 &middot; No Comments  Alec Saunders of Iotum fame. just did a brief interview with Paul Kapustka at GigaOM. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Presence</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91565</link>
		<dc:creator>Presence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] der um diese Idee herum ein Start-Up (Iotum) gegründet hat, hat genau zu diesem Thema ein Interview auf GigaOM gegeben. Eine andere Firma, die ein ähnliches Konzept verfolgt, ist [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] der um diese Idee herum ein Start-Up (Iotum) gegründet hat, hat genau zu diesem Thema ein Interview auf GigaOM gegeben. Eine andere Firma, die ein ähnliches Konzept verfolgt, ist [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91564</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alec, you should have presence on your blog as well. I believe that presence is more than just on the phone, but on IM, in virtual worlds, and on blogs (although its just an extension of the IM status).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I write about using presence on my blog here:
http://eok.net/2007/03/give-you-blog-some-presence.html&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, you should have presence on your blog as well. I believe that presence is more than just on the phone, but on IM, in virtual worlds, and on blogs (although its just an extension of the IM status).</p>
<p>I write about using presence on my blog here:<br />
 (<a href="http://eok.net/2007/03/give-you-blog-some-presence.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: Clunky Flow &#187; Social telephony, Voice 2.0</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/03/06/does-presence-really-matter/#comment-91549</link>
		<dc:creator>Clunky Flow &#187; Social telephony, Voice 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] today there&#8217;s an interesting interview with Alec Saunders of Iotum on GigaOm. Saunders is one of the original champions of the Voice 2.0 manifesto ( ie an exposition of how [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] today there&#8217;s an interesting interview with Alec Saunders of Iotum on GigaOm. Saunders is one of the original champions of the Voice 2.0 manifesto ( ie an exposition of how [...]</p>
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