Comments on: Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:29:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Yak hits the 10k mark at Roam4free http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-320384 Yak hits the 10k mark at Roam4free Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:03:45 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-320384 <p>[...] Yak4ever hit 10,000 live subscribers. Its been a blast, full of ups and downs, FCC attacks and worst of all a long spell in the deadpool. Well we are out of the deadpool, the FCC will rule [...]</p> [...] Yak4ever hit 10,000 live subscribers. Its been a blast, full of ups and downs, FCC attacks and worst of all a long spell in the deadpool. Well we are out of the deadpool, the FCC will rule [...]

]]> By: R.Pad http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-292099 R.Pad Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:07:04 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-292099 <p>Looks like it has returned.</p> <p>http://www.yak4ever.com/</p> Looks like it has returned.

http://www.yak4ever.com/

]]> By: Web 2.0 Ireland » Blog Archive » GigaOM » Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88748 Web 2.0 Ireland » Blog Archive » GigaOM » Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:50:40 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88748 <p>[...] GigaOM » Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return [...]</p> [...] GigaOM » Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return [...]

]]> By: John Thacker http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88747 John Thacker Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:28:23 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88747 <p><em>“We’ll put it back up, and if they force us down, we’ll put it back up again,” Phelan said, unless AT&T decides to change its international pricing rates. “If AT&T just went to 20 cents a minute everywhere, I’d go away,” Phelan said.</em></p> <p>Hmm. If this were true, couldn't he just go somewhere with a "normal" call termination charge, route calls through VoIP and Skype or whatever, and charge people a nice 20 cents/minute or less <em>without</em> abusing the (flawed) subsidies for US rural service? Yeah, it would be no different from Skype except that it would work over a normal phone for people who don't know or don't want to use Skype.</p> <p>The opportunity for nice arbitrage services that would help people calling internationally exist... they just can't be totally free to the consumer (and make millions for the guy running them) without taking advantage of rural telco subsidies in unintended ways.</p> <p>Now, it may be from his comments that that's exactly what he plans to do-- set up arbitrage somewhere that doesn't have termination fees that'll invite such lawsuits.</p> <p>I really don't want AT&T et al. to win their lawsuits on the principle of "calls aren't really terminated" that would prevent legitimate, non-wanky regulation inspired arbitrage. But I have to admit that the free call companies were abusing the rural subsidies.</p> “We’ll put it back up, and if they force us down, we’ll put it back up again,” Phelan said, unless AT&T decides to change its international pricing rates. “If AT&T just went to 20 cents a minute everywhere, I’d go away,” Phelan said.

Hmm. If this were true, couldn’t he just go somewhere with a “normal” call termination charge, route calls through VoIP and Skype or whatever, and charge people a nice 20 cents/minute or less without abusing the (flawed) subsidies for US rural service? Yeah, it would be no different from Skype except that it would work over a normal phone for people who don’t know or don’t want to use Skype.

The opportunity for nice arbitrage services that would help people calling internationally exist… they just can’t be totally free to the consumer (and make millions for the guy running them) without taking advantage of rural telco subsidies in unintended ways.

Now, it may be from his comments that that’s exactly what he plans to do– set up arbitrage somewhere that doesn’t have termination fees that’ll invite such lawsuits.

I really don’t want AT&T et al. to win their lawsuits on the principle of “calls aren’t really terminated” that would prevent legitimate, non-wanky regulation inspired arbitrage. But I have to admit that the free call companies were abusing the rural subsidies.

]]> By: plassey http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88746 plassey Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:55:14 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88746 <p>I am waiting for the service to come to Singapore.</p> I am waiting for the service to come to Singapore.

]]> By: Andrew Eisner http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88745 Andrew Eisner Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:06:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88745 <p>Ma Bell is alive and well and living in Iowa. The "re-consolidation" of Telcos is a bit disconcerting. I'm rooting for the underdog go get'em Pat.</p> Ma Bell is alive and well and living in Iowa. The “re-consolidation” of Telcos is a bit disconcerting. I’m rooting for the underdog go get’em Pat.

]]> By: Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return at RunningWithBulls.com - The curse of Sanfermin http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88743 Allfreecalls.net: We Will Return at RunningWithBulls.com - The curse of Sanfermin Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:38:05 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88743 <p>[...] know its not the best reason to get mentioned, but Pat Phelan gets a very good mention on Om Malik’s, GigaOm this morning, regarding his recent trouble with [...]</p> [...] know its not the best reason to get mentioned, but Pat Phelan gets a very good mention on Om Malik’s, GigaOm this morning, regarding his recent trouble with [...]

]]> By: SEO Mash http://gigaom.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88744 SEO Mash Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:14:29 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/allfreecallsnet-we-will-return/#comment-88744 <p>It is hard to pick a side in this "battle". On one hand I think we all like to root for the underdog, but on the other hand all of us who don't use the service will ultimately end up having the costs passed on the us by the mighty AT&T and others.</p> It is hard to pick a side in this “battle”. On one hand I think we all like to root for the underdog, but on the other hand all of us who don’t use the service will ultimately end up having the costs passed on the us by the mighty AT&T and others.

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