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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Shills for partisan causes like to color them bi-partisan. Your task as a scholar is to cut through the rhetoric and find the essence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The contributions that Moveon and its sponsor George Soros have have to Free Press! and Save the Internet are a matter of public record. Any web site that shows fundraising PACs and 501c3&#039;s and 4s will have them, as well as the contributions from Google employees to Moveon, the money launder from Google to STI.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Media Democracy? I have no idea what that means. Net neutrality is a squabble over who has the right to sell live video streams to American consumers. It has nothing whatever to do with free speech, blogs, John Edwards, or Democracy. It&#039;s a question of billing for IPTV immediately, and paying for Fiber to the Home in the long term.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyone who tells you otherwise wants to pick your pocket.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shills for partisan causes like to color them bi-partisan. Your task as a scholar is to cut through the rhetoric and find the essence.</p>
<p>The contributions that Moveon and its sponsor George Soros have have to Free Press! and Save the Internet are a matter of public record. Any web site that shows fundraising PACs and 501c3&#8242;s and 4s will have them, as well as the contributions from Google employees to Moveon, the money launder from Google to STI.</p>
<p>Media Democracy? I have no idea what that means. Net neutrality is a squabble over who has the right to sell live video streams to American consumers. It has nothing whatever to do with free speech, blogs, John Edwards, or Democracy. It&#8217;s a question of billing for IPTV immediately, and paying for Fiber to the Home in the long term.</p>
<p>Anyone who tells you otherwise wants to pick your pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Few things, Richard:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(1) Do you have evidence substantiating your claims about MoveOn.org contributions to STI, which is funded by Free Press?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(2) If one particular party aligns with a cause, and STI has become the grassroots figurehead for that cause, does that mean that STI is a partisan group? Sounds like false syllogism to me. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(3) My apologies for failing to qualify my terms: I was referring specifically to media democracy, that is, the widespread and continued availability for consumers to become producers in a vibrant and competitive media landscape. (I am not coming from a leftist position, to be clear: my intellectual leanings tend toward libertarian.)&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few things, Richard:</p>
<p>(1) Do you have evidence substantiating your claims about MoveOn.org contributions to STI, which is funded by Free Press?</p>
<p>(2) If one particular party aligns with a cause, and STI has become the grassroots figurehead for that cause, does that mean that STI is a partisan group? Sounds like false syllogism to me. </p>
<p>(3) My apologies for failing to qualify my terms: I was referring specifically to media democracy, that is, the widespread and continued availability for consumers to become producers in a vibrant and competitive media landscape. (I am not coming from a leftist position, to be clear: my intellectual leanings tend toward libertarian.)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, you&#039;re delusional if you think there&#039;s any relationship between expedited network service and the goodness of our Democracy. The Post Office has offered various classes of service from the dawn of time, and no harm has come of it other the loss of a few trees for bulk mail fliers.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, you&#8217;re delusional if you think there&#8217;s any relationship between expedited network service and the goodness of our Democracy. The Post Office has offered various classes of service from the dawn of time, and no harm has come of it other the loss of a few trees for bulk mail fliers.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;The Christian Coalition and Gun Owners of America haven&#039;t contributed the kind of money to Save the Internet that Moveon.org has. For one thing, Gun Owners of America (which isn&#039;t the NRA, by the way) is essentially one guy with a web site, and the state chapters of the CC aren&#039;t aligned with the DC chapter on this issue. So while Save the Internet pretends to be fronting a bi-partisan issue, in fact it&#039;s very much a Democratic Party cause. That doesn&#039;t prove it&#039;s a bad cause (it is, but petition signatures don&#039;t prove it,) but it does mean that STI hasn&#039;t been honest about its partisan nature. Just look at the voting history on STI&#039;s bills. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my experience, you don&#039;t need to lie in order to advance good causes.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian Coalition and Gun Owners of America haven&#8217;t contributed the kind of money to Save the Internet that Moveon.org has. For one thing, Gun Owners of America (which isn&#8217;t the NRA, by the way) is essentially one guy with a web site, and the state chapters of the CC aren&#8217;t aligned with the DC chapter on this issue. So while Save the Internet pretends to be fronting a bi-partisan issue, in fact it&#8217;s very much a Democratic Party cause. That doesn&#8217;t prove it&#8217;s a bad cause (it is, but petition signatures don&#8217;t prove it,) but it does mean that STI hasn&#8217;t been honest about its partisan nature. Just look at the voting history on STI&#8217;s bills. </p>
<p>In my experience, you don&#8217;t need to lie in order to advance good causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Sorry - the other caveat of mentioning those three orgs&#039; involvement with the Save the Internet Coalition was that funding has nothing to do with their status as coalition members, simply issue aligment.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; the other caveat of mentioning those three orgs&#8217; involvement with the Save the Internet Coalition was that funding has nothing to do with their status as coalition members, simply issue aligment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Rosen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi Richard, I&#039;m actually writing my thesis on the net neutrality debate (not making an argument for/against, but analyzing how the conversation has played out online). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just to be clear, MoveOn.org is part of the Save the Internet Coalition, as are the Christian Coalition and Gun Owners of America, two &quot;right&quot;-wing groups. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I point this out simply to encourage us to look beyond the traditional (and often blinding) partisan ideologies that limit open dialogue--the kind, apparently, that the Silicon Flatirons were having. After all, the shared outcome on which most of us can agree is better networks and better democracy, two values that need not be opposed.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard, I&#8217;m actually writing my thesis on the net neutrality debate (not making an argument for/against, but analyzing how the conversation has played out online). </p>
<p>Just to be clear, MoveOn.org is part of the Save the Internet Coalition, as are the Christian Coalition and Gun Owners of America, two &#8220;right&#8221;-wing groups. </p>
<p>I point this out simply to encourage us to look beyond the traditional (and often blinding) partisan ideologies that limit open dialogue&#8211;the kind, apparently, that the Silicon Flatirons were having. After all, the shared outcome on which most of us can agree is better networks and better democracy, two values that need not be opposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&quot;Save the Internet&quot; is funded by Moveon.org, an organization right in the Hugo Chavez target area. Harry is spot-on.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Save the Internet&#8221; is funded by Moveon.org, an organization right in the Hugo Chavez target area. Harry is spot-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kapustka</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Kapustka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Harry, that&#039;s really the kind of name-calling that is not constructive&#8230; right? If you think it&#039;s a a phony issue, say why. Use facts. Not Chavez digs that don&#039;t make any sense.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, that&#8217;s really the kind of name-calling that is not constructive&#8230; right? If you think it&#8217;s a a phony issue, say why. Use facts. Not Chavez digs that don&#8217;t make any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Greene</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134909</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Greene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Agree with Spud.  It&#039;s a phony issue, ginned up by Google and Amazon.  I wish all the rabid types on savetheinternet.org would think about how to get more networks and competition going, rather than fantasizing, Chavez-style, of nationalizing the nation&#039;s networks.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Spud.  It&#8217;s a phony issue, ginned up by Google and Amazon.  I wish all the rabid types on savetheinternet.org would think about how to get more networks and competition going, rather than fantasizing, Chavez-style, of nationalizing the nation&#8217;s networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Spud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s hoping the whole issue goes away for good.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping the whole issue goes away for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Kolesnichenko</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denis Kolesnichenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;he&#8230; Om, can i post my tedstevensisstupid.com initiative here? it&#039;s pretty relevant!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8230; Om, can i post my tedstevensisstupid.com initiative here? it&#8217;s pretty relevant!</p>
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		<title>By: Micah Schwalb</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/12/neutrality-debate-simmering-down/#comment-134906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Micah Schwalb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Paul:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for being here.  We will be posting a video of the panel in question by the end of the week.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Micah&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>Thanks for being here.  We will be posting a video of the panel in question by the end of the week.</p>
<p>-Micah</p>
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