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		<title>By: miguel</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86716</link>
		<dc:creator>miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Charlie: You&#039;re missing the point. This is not an issue of FuturePhone being regulated out of business.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In order to make sure that tiny rural communities have phone service, the companies in those areas are allowed to charge other phone companies high rates for inbound calls. For example, when you call New York City, Verizon might charge your phone company $0.0025/minute (one quarter cent) to complete the call. But when you call Podunk, Iowa, PodunkTel is charging your phone company $0.12/minute - almost 50 times as much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, your phone company is still charging you the normal $0.02/minute rate that it sets for all calls to USA numbers, because it&#039;s too complicated to have a separate rate for some obscure towns in Iowa (they might not even be allowed to charge a higher rate for calling those towns, I&#039;m not sure about the regs). They just lose money when you happen to call those towns, and hope that you won&#039;t do it too much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This margin is what paid for the international call service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ben: No, UK cell phones are too expensive to call, nobody can provide &quot;free&quot; service to them except for the operators themselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie: You&#8217;re missing the point. This is not an issue of FuturePhone being regulated out of business.</p>
<p>In order to make sure that tiny rural communities have phone service, the companies in those areas are allowed to charge other phone companies high rates for inbound calls. For example, when you call New York City, Verizon might charge your phone company $0.0025/minute (one quarter cent) to complete the call. But when you call Podunk, Iowa, PodunkTel is charging your phone company $0.12/minute &#8211; almost 50 times as much.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, your phone company is still charging you the normal $0.02/minute rate that it sets for all calls to USA numbers, because it&#8217;s too complicated to have a separate rate for some obscure towns in Iowa (they might not even be allowed to charge a higher rate for calling those towns, I&#8217;m not sure about the regs). They just lose money when you happen to call those towns, and hope that you won&#8217;t do it too much.</p>
<p>This margin is what paid for the international call service.</p>
<p>Ben: No, UK cell phones are too expensive to call, nobody can provide &#8220;free&#8221; service to them except for the operators themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any service that provides free calls to uk cell phone?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any service that provides free calls to uk cell phone?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bouchard</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86712</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Bouchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why make the ld call for free international calls when all those countries with us cost the same as the ld call they made. (unless they are using a voip all you can talk plan)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These companies should advertise a free calling card platform for those 50 countries. ATT must pay the access fee&#039;s, the calls were made to the IA ILEC.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The issue is with the NECA rates for access fee&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why make the ld call for free international calls when all those countries with us cost the same as the ld call they made. (unless they are using a voip all you can talk plan)</p>
<p>These companies should advertise a free calling card platform for those 50 countries. ATT must pay the access fee&#8217;s, the calls were made to the IA ILEC.</p>
<p>The issue is with the NECA rates for access fee&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: r.pad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86710</link>
		<dc:creator>r.pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m severely bummed about the demise of Futurephone.com. I&#039;ve tried a bunch of these services to make calls to Asia and FP was the best of the bunch. I keep an eye on this list to see what else is new, dying, and changing with these Iowatastic services.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.myvoipprovider.com/VoIP&lt;em&gt;News&lt;/em&gt;Archive/VoIP&lt;em&gt;General&lt;/em&gt;News/FREE&lt;em&gt;International&lt;/em&gt;Calls&lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt;let&lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt;US&lt;em&gt;Taxpayer&lt;/em&gt;foot&lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt;bill_20070130597/&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m severely bummed about the demise of Futurephone.com. I&#8217;ve tried a bunch of these services to make calls to Asia and FP was the best of the bunch. I keep an eye on this list to see what else is new, dying, and changing with these Iowatastic services.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myvoipprovider.com/VoIP" rel="nofollow">http://www.myvoipprovider.com/VoIP</a><em>News</em>Archive/VoIP<em>General</em>News/FREE<em>International</em>Calls<em>and</em>let<em>the</em>US<em>Taxpayer</em>foot<em>the</em>bill_20070130597/</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Mogombu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86708</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Mogombu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are similar services in the UK which have been running for some time now. For example, I can make free calls from my contract cellphone by using this service: http://www.dialabroad.co.uk/mobileplus&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m surprised the US isn&#039;t more liberal when it comes to telecos - competition is good!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Charlie&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are similar services in the UK which have been running for some time now. For example, I can make free calls from my contract cellphone by using this service: <a href="http://www.dialabroad.co.uk/mobileplus" rel="nofollow">http://www.dialabroad.co.uk/mobileplus</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised the US isn&#8217;t more liberal when it comes to telecos &#8211; competition is good!</p>
<p>Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: Brian McConnell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86700</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McConnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rural LEC termination has been around for a long time, and has been quietly tolerated by the big carriers as a way for small companies like mine to provide enhanced services without charging customers via credit card etc.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FuturePhone and its brethren got shut down because they went after carrier&#039;s primary business, phone calls. It doesn&#039;t surprise me that these guys got shut down pretty promptly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the rural LECs we use does not allow international calling services like this, so he shuts them down proactively, to avoid attracting litigation from the carriers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rural LEC termination is an attractive way to offer a low cost service to users, but it&#039;s risky, and therefore wise to have other ways to generate revenue in case you do get cut off, have to relocate, etc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rural LEC termination has been around for a long time, and has been quietly tolerated by the big carriers as a way for small companies like mine to provide enhanced services without charging customers via credit card etc.</p>
<p>FuturePhone and its brethren got shut down because they went after carrier&#8217;s primary business, phone calls. It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that these guys got shut down pretty promptly.</p>
<p>One of the rural LECs we use does not allow international calling services like this, so he shuts them down proactively, to avoid attracting litigation from the carriers.</p>
<p>Rural LEC termination is an attractive way to offer a low cost service to users, but it&#8217;s risky, and therefore wise to have other ways to generate revenue in case you do get cut off, have to relocate, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86702</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I am surprised that a regulatory loophole like this is allowed to exist.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Basically, it&#039;s part of the various efforts (such as the Universal Service Fund) to subsidize rural phone network costs.  Subsidies often create arbitrage opportunities.  (Or, if you like, &quot;waste, fraud, and abuse.&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not extremely different from, say, a high school getting subsidized to buy computers at less than cost, and then selling those computers.  The difference is that the ephemeral nature of the phone calls meant that the plan could scale up much greater-- at least until the subsidizing phone companies and regulators noticed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am surprised that a regulatory loophole like this is allowed to exist.</em></p>
<p>Basically, it&#8217;s part of the various efforts (such as the Universal Service Fund) to subsidize rural phone network costs.  Subsidies often create arbitrage opportunities.  (Or, if you like, &#8220;waste, fraud, and abuse.&#8221;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not extremely different from, say, a high school getting subsidized to buy computers at less than cost, and then selling those computers.  The difference is that the ephemeral nature of the phone calls meant that the plan could scale up much greater&#8211; at least until the subsidizing phone companies and regulators noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Phelan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86690</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Phelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hope you got my mug Paul?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you got my mug Paul?</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe Claude</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86692</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IT is the second time i Rad about the death of FuturePhone and in both cases the comment was that the loophole could last forever. But in both cases  the article forgot to mention that FuturePhone was NOT the only company with such a &quot;business model&quot; and that the other, like http://www.allfreecalls.net/ are still up and running! some other,l like http://ophone.net/ are aslo dead&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT is the second time i Rad about the death of FuturePhone and in both cases the comment was that the loophole could last forever. But in both cases  the article forgot to mention that FuturePhone was NOT the only company with such a &#8220;business model&#8221; and that the other, like <a href="http://www.allfreecalls.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allfreecalls.net/</a> are still up and running! some other,l like <a href="http://ophone.net/" rel="nofollow">http://ophone.net/</a> are aslo dead</p>
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		<title>By: Deminy.net</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86694</link>
		<dc:creator>Deminy.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;如何拨打免费国际电话 (3)&#8230;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;早上是我最后一次作为GA（研究生助理）带实验，给学生答疑。没几个学生在实验室，因此我就上del.icio.us网站转转，又一次顺藤摸瓜地看到了一个（通过VoIP方式）免费拨打国际电话的网站：F&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>如何拨打免费国际电话 (3)&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>早上是我最后一次作为GA（研究生助理）带实验，给学生答疑。没几个学生在实验室，因此我就上del.icio.us网站转转，又一次顺藤摸瓜地看到了一个（通过VoIP方式）免费拨打国际电话的网站：F&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alaskan Carnivore</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86696</link>
		<dc:creator>Alaskan Carnivore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;pstn termination isn’t free regardless of the loopholes&#8230;&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;hmm&#8230; What about Google Maps Click2Call?? Who pays that termination bill? Anyone??&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does GOOG have an official telco partner?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Live.com Maps ClicktoCall is powered by MCI aka Verizon according to past PR. Perhaps today it may be mixed with a sprinkle of Nortel via the OfficeLive.com platform..?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pstn termination isn’t free regardless of the loopholes&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>hmm&#8230; What about Google Maps Click2Call?? Who pays that termination bill? Anyone??</p>
<p>Does GOOG have an official telco partner?</p>
<p>Live.com Maps ClicktoCall is powered by MCI aka Verizon according to past PR. Perhaps today it may be mixed with a sprinkle of Nortel via the OfficeLive.com platform..?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86698</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It still exists with http://www.allfreecalls.net/&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It still exists with <a href="http://www.allfreecalls.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.allfreecalls.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: 10012</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86704</link>
		<dc:creator>10012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;no such thing as a free ride. pstn termination isn&#039;t free regardless of the loopholes&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no such thing as a free ride. pstn termination isn&#8217;t free regardless of the loopholes</p>
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		<title>By: Visible.Mobi</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/02/04/futurephone-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-86706</link>
		<dc:creator>Visible.Mobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am surprised that a regulatory loophole like this is allowed to exist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that a regulatory loophole like this is allowed to exist.</p>
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