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		<title>By: TechBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Municipal Wi-Fi being ignored by residents...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In February, I wrote that Houston&#039;s municipal Wi-Fi network needs to be affordable, easy to use, reliable and robust, or people won&#039;t use it. Ideally, &quot;affordable&quot; should mean &quot;free&quot;, but Houston&#039;s already opted not to&#160;climb that politicall...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Municipal Wi-Fi being ignored by residents&#8230;</strong></p>

<p>In February, I wrote that Houston&#8217;s municipal Wi-Fi network needs to be affordable, easy to use, reliable and robust, or people won&#8217;t use it. Ideally, &#8220;affordable&#8221; should mean &#8220;free&#8221;, but Houston&#8217;s already opted not to&nbsp;climb that politicall&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GigaOM &#187; MuniFi: Build it and they still don&#8217;t come?</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82571</link>
		<dc:creator>GigaOM &#187; MuniFi: Build it and they still don&#8217;t come?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] major problem is the one that Wi-Fi consultant Craig Settles pointed out to us in January, that &#8220;public access of city-wide Wi-Fi networks will be widely viewed as financially the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] major problem is the one that Wi-Fi consultant Craig Settles pointed out to us in January, that &#8220;public access of city-wide Wi-Fi networks will be widely viewed as financially the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kimo Crossman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82570</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimo Crossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 05:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerry Grasso of Earthlink:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The new ATT pricing I put up there of $20 for dsl is naked dsl - you don&#039;t have to have phone service to get it. Check out the link I provided.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This pricing is what AT&amp;T agreed to as part of the Cingular merger - &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and it&#039;s not the $15/month for dsl (and a year agreement) on top of phone service as part of the Yahoo deal previously out there.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Grasso of Earthlink:</p>

<p>The new ATT pricing I put up there of $20 for dsl is naked dsl &#8211; you don&#8217;t have to have phone service to get it. Check out the link I provided.</p>

<p>This pricing is what AT&amp;T agreed to as part of the Cingular merger &#8211; </p>

<p>and it&#8217;s not the $15/month for dsl (and a year agreement) on top of phone service as part of the Yahoo deal previously out there.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bert Williams</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82568</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Craig Settles&#039; assertion that public access is the &quot;weakest pillar in the business case&quot; for metro Wi-Fi doesn&#039;t square with what Tropos Networks has seen in our customer base. For example, the metro Wi-Fi networks in Chaska and Moorhead, MN quickly generated 20-25% household penetration, numbers that have been stable for the past two to three years. Both cities charge for the service ($17 to $20 per month) and both have DSL as an alternative. You can build a great business case on 20-25% penetration!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with Craig that mobile workforce applications will be a big ROI generator for metro Wi-Fi networks. In fact, I&#039;d go a step further. Mobile consumer usage is already an important application for metro Wi-Fi. In the networks whose usage we track at, up to 20% of users already are mobile in a city on any given day. With devices such as the new Nokia n800 tablet, Skype Wi-Fi phones, Nikon s7c Wi-Fi camera and more will accelerate this trend toward Wi-Fi-enabled Mobile Internet usage.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Settles&#8217; assertion that public access is the &#8220;weakest pillar in the business case&#8221; for metro Wi-Fi doesn&#8217;t square with what Tropos Networks has seen in our customer base. For example, the metro Wi-Fi networks in Chaska and Moorhead, MN quickly generated 20-25% household penetration, numbers that have been stable for the past two to three years. Both cities charge for the service ($17 to $20 per month) and both have DSL as an alternative. You can build a great business case on 20-25% penetration!</p>

<p>I agree with Craig that mobile workforce applications will be a big ROI generator for metro Wi-Fi networks. In fact, I&#8217;d go a step further. Mobile consumer usage is already an important application for metro Wi-Fi. In the networks whose usage we track at, up to 20% of users already are mobile in a city on any given day. With devices such as the new Nokia n800 tablet, Skype Wi-Fi phones, Nikon s7c Wi-Fi camera and more will accelerate this trend toward Wi-Fi-enabled Mobile Internet usage.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ken Biba</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82566</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Biba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I and my company Novarum have been in the field measuring both WiFi and cellular networks in 14 cities and over 41 wireless networks including Sprint, Verizon, Cingular and the major WiFi networks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So we actually have real data rather than anecdotal stories.  You can see more of the complete report on our website www.novarum.com.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Some conclusions:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Well designed WiFi can be VERY good.   In St. Cloud, FL 100% coverage outdoors over the city and NO 3G service.  In Toronto in the deep urban canyons of downtown - high coverage and often over 5 Mb/s bidirectional service.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Poorly designed cellular and WiFi can be terrible.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;3G is still a modestly deployed service.   In the cities we have surveyed to date with both a WiFi cloud and multiple 3G providers &#8230; a user is MORE likely to find WiFi service than 3G service.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And our conclusions are quite different than the original article.  We think the technology CAN scale and be successful technologically.  &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Business models are still in flux.  But an anchor tenant is key.  And in San Francisco, Earthlink&#039;s anchor tenant is Google.  Who is likely paying $ for capacity that they use to provide an ad supported service.  Nothing is really free.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I and my company Novarum have been in the field measuring both WiFi and cellular networks in 14 cities and over 41 wireless networks including Sprint, Verizon, Cingular and the major WiFi networks.</p>

<p>So we actually have real data rather than anecdotal stories.  You can see more of the complete report on our website <a href="http://www.novarum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.novarum.com</a>.</p>

<p>Some conclusions:</p>

<ol>
<li>Well designed WiFi can be VERY good.   In St. Cloud, FL 100% coverage outdoors over the city and NO 3G service.  In Toronto in the deep urban canyons of downtown &#8211; high coverage and often over 5 Mb/s bidirectional service.</li>
<li>Poorly designed cellular and WiFi can be terrible.</li>
<li>3G is still a modestly deployed service.   In the cities we have surveyed to date with both a WiFi cloud and multiple 3G providers &#8230; a user is MORE likely to find WiFi service than 3G service.</li>
<li>And our conclusions are quite different than the original article.  We think the technology CAN scale and be successful technologically.  </li>
<li>Business models are still in flux.  But an anchor tenant is key.  And in San Francisco, Earthlink&#8217;s anchor tenant is Google.  Who is likely paying $ for capacity that they use to provide an ad supported service.  Nothing is really free.</li>
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		<title>By: Matt Yerington</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82562</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Yerington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keep in mind&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Public WiFi access gets all the press.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But replacing T1 lines with cheaper wireless access and providing for government services is how a lot of these municipal networks really get funded.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind&#8230;</p>

<p>Public WiFi access gets all the press.</p>

<p>But replacing T1 lines with cheaper wireless access and providing for government services is how a lot of these municipal networks really get funded.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82563</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We are a long way off before public use(for a fee) takes off.  I don&#039;t think the current technology being used in EarthLinks networks is up to par(for public use) and  it will be interesting to see if they stick with Tropos for SF.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only advantage I see of MuniFi for public use is the mobility which Sprint and others have been doing for years.  Sure my Sprint service cost 60+ a month, but it just flat out works everywhere I go.  If I were to subscribe to EarthLink, then I couldn&#039;t use it when I&#039;m on the road all the time for work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only way I see myself ever signing up for EarthLink would be if they offered vastly improved speeds.  I currently get the fastest package offered in my area(8mbps cable) but I want more.  Where is my fiber?!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Having said all that, I still have hopes things will improve and EarthLink is going to cash in from all the money it makes off the cities and businesses it supports with these networks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a long way off before public use(for a fee) takes off.  I don&#8217;t think the current technology being used in EarthLinks networks is up to par(for public use) and  it will be interesting to see if they stick with Tropos for SF.</p>

<p>The only advantage I see of MuniFi for public use is the mobility which Sprint and others have been doing for years.  Sure my Sprint service cost 60+ a month, but it just flat out works everywhere I go.  If I were to subscribe to EarthLink, then I couldn&#8217;t use it when I&#8217;m on the road all the time for work.</p>

<p>The only way I see myself ever signing up for EarthLink would be if they offered vastly improved speeds.  I currently get the fastest package offered in my area(8mbps cable) but I want more.  Where is my fiber?!!</p>

<p>Having said all that, I still have hopes things will improve and EarthLink is going to cash in from all the money it makes off the cities and businesses it supports with these networks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jerry Grasso</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Grasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Katie: Couple of things&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For those that are looking at DSL pricing, it is important to look at the
recurring fees going forward and the additional requirements.  For example
AT&amp;T DSL requires the user to have telephone service to get the promotional
rate.  There are also long term commitments, after which the price increases
to over $35 per month.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Business and municipal solutions do represent an attractive opportunity for
citywide network operators.  In addition to the roaming Wi-Fi accounts for
municipal workers that we are already providing, EarthLink has a number of
products in development targeted at this sector including mobile vehicle
connectivity, fixed wireless for municipal use, video surveillance and an
automated meter reading (AMR) solution.  We are piloting several of these
products today in the cities where we are operating.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ultimately the ubiquitious access and the standarized method of connection
available through citywide mesh Wi-Fi, will enable many different business
models, connection types and customer segments.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Katie: Couple of things&#8230;</p>

<p>For those that are looking at DSL pricing, it is important to look at the
recurring fees going forward and the additional requirements.  For example
AT&amp;T DSL requires the user to have telephone service to get the promotional
rate.  There are also long term commitments, after which the price increases
to over $35 per month.</p>

<p>Business and municipal solutions do represent an attractive opportunity for
citywide network operators.  In addition to the roaming Wi-Fi accounts for
municipal workers that we are already providing, EarthLink has a number of
products in development targeted at this sector including mobile vehicle
connectivity, fixed wireless for municipal use, video surveillance and an
automated meter reading (AMR) solution.  We are piloting several of these
products today in the cities where we are operating.  </p>

<p>Ultimately the ubiquitious access and the standarized method of connection
available through citywide mesh Wi-Fi, will enable many different business
models, connection types and customer segments.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kimo Crossman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82569</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimo Crossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With the news that AT&amp;T will be offering 768k/384k DSL for $10 a month if you already have bundled phone service or $20 if you don’t have a phone line currently:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/80964&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For people who already have a bundled phone service they are looking at getting a much more reliable wired connection for 75% of the premium wifi ‘Best Effort’ Average 1000k speed for HALF the COST. - (Best effort - so if your neighbor is downloading video you will probably not get that 1000k speed)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For people who don’t already have phone service and which is bundled, they are looking at getting a much more reliable wired connection for 75% of the premium wifi ‘Best Effort’ Average 1000k speed for the SAME COST.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BUT the DSL wired connection can also support local WiFi with a $50 device and conceivably if you live near two neighbors you could share the wifi and split the monthly cost by two (as well as share it with multiple computers in your place) so your actual monthly cost could be 1/3 the monthly cost in both scenarios above - or possibly upgrade to a higher shared speed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And if people go with the DSL who already have a phone bill, then they get one less bill a month.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lastly, a wired connection uses the phone service electrical grid which often lasts in a general electrical blackout, so if you have your equipment plugged into a Uninterruptible Power Supply (a battery) you will still be up (this actually happened to me, my computer was on but the lights were out). It’s useful if you want to find out what the heck just happened or to send a mass email letting people know you are ok etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the news that AT&amp;T will be offering 768k/384k DSL for $10 a month if you already have bundled phone service or $20 if you don’t have a phone line currently:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/80964" rel="nofollow">http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/80964</a></p>

<p>For people who already have a bundled phone service they are looking at getting a much more reliable wired connection for 75% of the premium wifi ‘Best Effort’ Average 1000k speed for HALF the COST. &#8211; (Best effort &#8211; so if your neighbor is downloading video you will probably not get that 1000k speed)</p>

<p>For people who don’t already have phone service and which is bundled, they are looking at getting a much more reliable wired connection for 75% of the premium wifi ‘Best Effort’ Average 1000k speed for the SAME COST.</p>

<p>BUT the DSL wired connection can also support local WiFi with a $50 device and conceivably if you live near two neighbors you could share the wifi and split the monthly cost by two (as well as share it with multiple computers in your place) so your actual monthly cost could be 1/3 the monthly cost in both scenarios above &#8211; or possibly upgrade to a higher shared speed.</p>

<p>And if people go with the DSL who already have a phone bill, then they get one less bill a month.</p>

<p>Lastly, a wired connection uses the phone service electrical grid which often lasts in a general electrical blackout, so if you have your equipment plugged into a Uninterruptible Power Supply (a battery) you will still be up (this actually happened to me, my computer was on but the lights were out). It’s useful if you want to find out what the heck just happened or to send a mass email letting people know you are ok etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82564</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When we move away from large cities, public access becomes less of an issue. With cities I have dealt with (who&#039;s names would be unfamiliar to 95% of you), the big issue was mobile broadband for public workers and emergency services. In some cases public access was not even on the table. The interesting thing about this is that the service positioning for public worker mobile broadband is directly against 3G from Verizon et al. The telcos haven&#039;t done a good job positioning themselves in this natural market for 3G due to two factors. First, their refusal to even consider that there might be additional options open to the customer and market accordingly. Second, unwillingness to  alter their build plans to address specific customer coverage concerns (this is especially the case where decisioning making has been moved upstream from the local market).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we move away from large cities, public access becomes less of an issue. With cities I have dealt with (who&#8217;s names would be unfamiliar to 95% of you), the big issue was mobile broadband for public workers and emergency services. In some cases public access was not even on the table. The interesting thing about this is that the service positioning for public worker mobile broadband is directly against 3G from Verizon et al. The telcos haven&#8217;t done a good job positioning themselves in this natural market for 3G due to two factors. First, their refusal to even consider that there might be additional options open to the customer and market accordingly. Second, unwillingness to  alter their build plans to address specific customer coverage concerns (this is especially the case where decisioning making has been moved upstream from the local market).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alex Moskalyuk</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2007/01/22/munifis-weak-link-public-use/#comment-82567</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Moskalyuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I lived in Mountain View, I still wouldn&#039;t go as far as disconnect my Comcast cable Internet to completely rely on Google WiFi. Even though the hotspot was right outside my apartment window, the best connection quality I ever got was round 80%. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At certain places in the apartment the quality quickly deteriorated to 20-30%. Occasionally the connection would drop for no reason, and it&#039;s hard to tell whether the problem was on my end or hotspot&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyone using Internet for business or work would be careless to trust public hotspot to be there 24/7. On the other hand, it&#039;s quite convenient to flip the laptop open in a public park or in  downtown cafe, and be online instantly, if GoogleWiFi is one of your trusted wireless networks in Windows.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in Mountain View, I still wouldn&#8217;t go as far as disconnect my Comcast cable Internet to completely rely on Google WiFi. Even though the hotspot was right outside my apartment window, the best connection quality I ever got was round 80%. </p>

<p>At certain places in the apartment the quality quickly deteriorated to 20-30%. Occasionally the connection would drop for no reason, and it&#8217;s hard to tell whether the problem was on my end or hotspot&#8217;s.</p>

<p>Anyone using Internet for business or work would be careless to trust public hotspot to be there 24/7. On the other hand, it&#8217;s quite convenient to flip the laptop open in a public park or in  downtown cafe, and be online instantly, if GoogleWiFi is one of your trusted wireless networks in Windows.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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