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		<title>By: uninteresting :: nerd &#8250; iTunes Store, Act II: Apple stands up to NBC as Microsoft bends over (again)</title>
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		<dc:creator>uninteresting :: nerd &#8250; iTunes Store, Act II: Apple stands up to NBC as Microsoft bends over (again)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the consumer. Meanwhile, Microsoft is caving their demands, damn the consumer. Just like when they agreed to pay $1 for every Zune sold to Universal for the assumed pirated content that would be on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Last Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Last Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yesterday I was playing a song in my mind when along comes the DRM Police.
They fine me because I did not have any right to remember the song from a CD that I paid for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess they can now read your mind&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I was playing a song in my mind when along comes the DRM Police.<br />
They fine me because I did not have any right to remember the song from a CD that I paid for.</p>
<p>I guess they can now read your mind</p>
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		<title>By: i'd rather be in haena</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/11/09/microsoft-zune-the-music-mafia/#comment-71792</link>
		<dc:creator>i'd rather be in haena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Microsoft: "Buy An Artist Out For Life" As An Alternative to DRM&#8230;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ever a patron of the arts, Bill Gates muses on how to support artists with lifelong grants (or something) instead of trying to protect their work with digital rights management. Is this a veiled reference to Microsoft "donating" a dollar&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Ever a patron of the arts, Bill Gates muses on how to support artists with lifelong grants (or something) instead of trying to protect their work with digital rights management. Is this a veiled reference to Microsoft &#8220;donating&#8221; a dollar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: awakened</title>
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		<dc:creator>awakened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO, the problem with music is in the content. Technology has evolved and the formats have changed, but the music industry is STILL offering what they offered 10-20 years ago, music. If you'd like to me to pay 15$ for an album or 1$ for a song, you need to offer me something more than just the song, especially when it's so easy to turn on my radio and listen to it, or even (yes, yes) download it illegaly.
It's the same with the movies. Companies keep complaining about movie piracy and loss in the cinema business when all they offer at your local cinema (or even a good cinema) is slightly better sound and picture than your HOME cinema! GET REAL people! There's NO way I'd pay YOU 10$ to do something I could enjoy the same in the comfort of my living room!
So put your money into new technology, get me interested or get lost! YOU, need to keep releasing albums, it's your job, but "I" get to chose whether what you're offering is worthwhile.
The company does pay a hefty million dollars to the artists to release their music and they expect the world to bear the price. I'm sorry but there are a LOT more important people than Paris Hilton in the world I'd rather give my money to.
So, downloading illegally? Unless you have something BETTER to offer me, yes I will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, the problem with music is in the content. Technology has evolved and the formats have changed, but the music industry is STILL offering what they offered 10-20 years ago, music. If you&#8217;d like to me to pay 15$ for an album or 1$ for a song, you need to offer me something more than just the song, especially when it&#8217;s so easy to turn on my radio and listen to it, or even (yes, yes) download it illegaly.<br />
It&#8217;s the same with the movies. Companies keep complaining about movie piracy and loss in the cinema business when all they offer at your local cinema (or even a good cinema) is slightly better sound and picture than your HOME cinema! GET REAL people! There&#8217;s NO way I&#8217;d pay YOU 10$ to do something I could enjoy the same in the comfort of my living room!<br />
So put your money into new technology, get me interested or get lost! YOU, need to keep releasing albums, it&#8217;s your job, but &#8220;I&#8221; get to chose whether what you&#8217;re offering is worthwhile.<br />
The company does pay a hefty million dollars to the artists to release their music and they expect the world to bear the price. I&#8217;m sorry but there are a LOT more important people than Paris Hilton in the world I&#8217;d rather give my money to.<br />
So, downloading illegally? Unless you have something BETTER to offer me, yes I will.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Orr</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/11/09/microsoft-zune-the-music-mafia/#comment-71790</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Once again an example of the companies that don't have a concept of the bigger picture IMO.
The claim of P2P hurting sales has been made in pretty much every media industry. What amuses me is that the companies that have embraced electronic distribution have in some cases it appears tripled their overall sales those that have remained obstinate in the face of reality have perhaps suffered a little from piracy, OTOH in many cases they've been boycotted by their customers for their attitude, RIAA being a perfect example, while it hurts some good people I personally refuse to let any of my money go to a group that have resorted to suing children and grandparents to "protect" their "rights".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand Baen who have their free library for people to browse online have grabbed my attention with some truly inspiring authors that without this means of access I might never have looked at at all, now I'm trying to get my local bookstore to order in the Honor Harrington books by David Weber. Jim Baen (who died earlier this year sadly) was very much a visionary in the publishing industry whose midas touch is somewhat legendary in science fiction readership for supporting many of the best future authors to get off the ground, and his understanding of his customers. I know I'm not alone or even unusual in my willingness to buy something I have received through illegal means, ie I bought Evanescence's "Fallen" after I discovered the group through a P2P download, I bought most of my anime collection only after watching downloaded episodes from the series in question.
When I have the money I buy what I like, when I don't, or don't know if I will like something I will download it first to check it out. Yes I know this is illegal, but I do not consider this immoral or unfair to the artist because if I bought something thinking I was going to like it and didn't I might come to hate that artist and ignore them completely in the future and in some cases that would be truly a shame (an example from my own experience was the number of other people who would no longer touch Linkin Park due to the lack of new songs on Meteora).
In the long term what is most telling about the piracy despite the cry of foul by recording labels and other publishers is instead of the diminishing sales due to piracy they claim at times their overall sales seem to be escalating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here in Australia it's a legal right to make a backup copy of any media for personal use, a fact that seems to truly annoy a lot of companies judging by the fact their anti copying methods are so prevalent and IMNSHO infringing on our legal rights. I own over 10,000 Australian dollars worth of computer and console games I bought new (not bargain bin prices or second hand there is probably another 10K there in truth). I own a DVD recorder which I bought for a single purpose to make backups of my ancient VHS collection which hadn't been released as DVD, many titles still haven't (at least not in Australia in some cases). The levy on recordable media annoys me because most of my own usage of CDs and DVDs is for archival or backup purposes, the few burns done of applications I do these days tend to be entirely legal ie my stack of free Linux distro discs.
I know I'm not unique, I know I'm not even rare, so why the heck can't the companies see the big picture? They might like having pirates as scapegoats, but in the end I feel the only people hurting their sales are themselves, if this $1 per player will be used by UMG against Apple, their iPod and/or the iTunes store than UMG (and anyone else that follows suit) deserves to go bankrupt as far as I'm concerned, the iTunes store has out performed most labels when you consider market impact. iTunes might only be a small part of their overall revenue, but I wonder how many indie artists are at least thinking of using iTunes to get noticed by the global community.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do people pirate media? Yes.
Do these pirates buy the original media? Not all, but a quite respectable percentage do.
So why do the big companies complain? IMO it seems so they can justify the unrealistic prices they put on a lot of media when it is released. Some people even believe them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again an example of the companies that don&#8217;t have a concept of the bigger picture IMO.<br />
The claim of P2P hurting sales has been made in pretty much every media industry. What amuses me is that the companies that have embraced electronic distribution have in some cases it appears tripled their overall sales those that have remained obstinate in the face of reality have perhaps suffered a little from piracy, OTOH in many cases they&#8217;ve been boycotted by their customers for their attitude, RIAA being a perfect example, while it hurts some good people I personally refuse to let any of my money go to a group that have resorted to suing children and grandparents to &#8220;protect&#8221; their &#8220;rights&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the other hand Baen who have their free library for people to browse online have grabbed my attention with some truly inspiring authors that without this means of access I might never have looked at at all, now I&#8217;m trying to get my local bookstore to order in the Honor Harrington books by David Weber. Jim Baen (who died earlier this year sadly) was very much a visionary in the publishing industry whose midas touch is somewhat legendary in science fiction readership for supporting many of the best future authors to get off the ground, and his understanding of his customers. I know I&#8217;m not alone or even unusual in my willingness to buy something I have received through illegal means, ie I bought Evanescence&#8217;s &#8220;Fallen&#8221; after I discovered the group through a P2P download, I bought most of my anime collection only after watching downloaded episodes from the series in question.<br />
When I have the money I buy what I like, when I don&#8217;t, or don&#8217;t know if I will like something I will download it first to check it out. Yes I know this is illegal, but I do not consider this immoral or unfair to the artist because if I bought something thinking I was going to like it and didn&#8217;t I might come to hate that artist and ignore them completely in the future and in some cases that would be truly a shame (an example from my own experience was the number of other people who would no longer touch Linkin Park due to the lack of new songs on Meteora).<br />
In the long term what is most telling about the piracy despite the cry of foul by recording labels and other publishers is instead of the diminishing sales due to piracy they claim at times their overall sales seem to be escalating.</p>
<p>Here in Australia it&#8217;s a legal right to make a backup copy of any media for personal use, a fact that seems to truly annoy a lot of companies judging by the fact their anti copying methods are so prevalent and IMNSHO infringing on our legal rights. I own over 10,000 Australian dollars worth of computer and console games I bought new (not bargain bin prices or second hand there is probably another 10K there in truth). I own a DVD recorder which I bought for a single purpose to make backups of my ancient VHS collection which hadn&#8217;t been released as DVD, many titles still haven&#8217;t (at least not in Australia in some cases). The levy on recordable media annoys me because most of my own usage of CDs and DVDs is for archival or backup purposes, the few burns done of applications I do these days tend to be entirely legal ie my stack of free Linux distro discs.<br />
I know I&#8217;m not unique, I know I&#8217;m not even rare, so why the heck can&#8217;t the companies see the big picture? They might like having pirates as scapegoats, but in the end I feel the only people hurting their sales are themselves, if this $1 per player will be used by UMG against Apple, their iPod and/or the iTunes store than UMG (and anyone else that follows suit) deserves to go bankrupt as far as I&#8217;m concerned, the iTunes store has out performed most labels when you consider market impact. iTunes might only be a small part of their overall revenue, but I wonder how many indie artists are at least thinking of using iTunes to get noticed by the global community.</p>
<p>Do people pirate media? Yes.<br />
Do these pirates buy the original media? Not all, but a quite respectable percentage do.<br />
So why do the big companies complain? IMO it seems so they can justify the unrealistic prices they put on a lot of media when it is released. Some people even believe them.</p>
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		<title>By: 장명철</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/11/09/microsoft-zune-the-music-mafia/#comment-71789</link>
		<dc:creator>장명철</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;고령의 부모님의 갑작스런 죽음&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;당신은 어떤준비를 하셧나요?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;계약시 금액으로 써비스 받을수있는&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;국내유일의 첨단시설에 추모관을 가지고있는&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;010-2437-5689 전화상담주시면 친절하게 &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;성심 성의를 다하여&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;모시겟 습니다.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;임종에서 장지까지 고인과 유족을 위한 토탈 장례서비스 상품&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;010-2437-5689 , 010 - 2437 - 5689 , 010 - 2437 - 5689&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;------- 장 명 철 팀장 ------------&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>고령의 부모님의 갑작스런 죽음</p>
<p>당신은 어떤준비를 하셧나요?</p>
<p>계약시 금액으로 써비스 받을수있는</p>
<p>국내유일의 첨단시설에 추모관을 가지고있는</p>
<p>010-2437-5689 전화상담주시면 친절하게 </p>
<p>성심 성의를 다하여</p>
<p>모시겟 습니다.</p>
<p>임종에서 장지까지 고인과 유족을 위한 토탈 장례서비스 상품</p>
<p>010-2437-5689 , 010 - 2437 - 5689 , 010 - 2437 - 5689</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;- 장 명 철 팀장 &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I figure Apple pays UMG between $50 and $100 million per year right now. With no signifcant incremental costs. Walking away would be an awfully big bet that UMG would sell just as much music only through other channels. They certainly wouldn't electronically--the whole world isn't going to instantly dump their ipods just cuz a record label wants them to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since Apple makes very little profit on the iTunes store, Apple loses more prestige and convenience for its customers than money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Realistically, UMG would not sell just as much. They'd sell some more CDs, but some of the sales would go to other labels online, some replaced by piracy, and some just not happen. Distribution and convenience matter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apple has real leverage here because it delivers real cash. Without it, UMG has to go back and cut budgets, close labels, drop artists, and layoff people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the $1 is just the camel's nose under the tent. I'm sure the labels think they should have most of Apple's profits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love the way they talk about how their revenues are down: like somehow they're entitled to a certain level of our cash in perpetuity. Yes artists should control and get compensated for their work. But middlemen have no such inherent rights--they need to add value or die. The bad old days of few options for artists and consumers made them fat, lazy, corrupt and arrogant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oops. Digressed into rant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure Apple pays UMG between $50 and $100 million per year right now. With no signifcant incremental costs. Walking away would be an awfully big bet that UMG would sell just as much music only through other channels. They certainly wouldn&#8217;t electronically&#8211;the whole world isn&#8217;t going to instantly dump their ipods just cuz a record label wants them to.</p>
<p>Since Apple makes very little profit on the iTunes store, Apple loses more prestige and convenience for its customers than money.</p>
<p>Realistically, UMG would not sell just as much. They&#8217;d sell some more CDs, but some of the sales would go to other labels online, some replaced by piracy, and some just not happen. Distribution and convenience matter.</p>
<p>Apple has real leverage here because it delivers real cash. Without it, UMG has to go back and cut budgets, close labels, drop artists, and layoff people.</p>
<p>And the $1 is just the camel&#8217;s nose under the tent. I&#8217;m sure the labels think they should have most of Apple&#8217;s profits.</p>
<p>I love the way they talk about how their revenues are down: like somehow they&#8217;re entitled to a certain level of our cash in perpetuity. Yes artists should control and get compensated for their work. But middlemen have no such inherent rights&#8211;they need to add value or die. The bad old days of few options for artists and consumers made them fat, lazy, corrupt and arrogant.</p>
<p>Oops. Digressed into rant.</p>
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		<title>By: GJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p2p might be mainstream amongst tech blog commentators, but if I was to ask around the pub who had heard of, never mind indulged in p2p downloading, I'd get shrugs and confused looks (and possibly a beating, depending on the boozer). But if I asked who owned an iPod, I'd get a big show of hands. I can count ten iPod owners in my office, and only 1 of them uses P2P services (and he's the biggest music buyer of the lot). The rest can scarcely cope with ripping their own CDs in iTunes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course P2P traffic represents a huge chunk of internet traffic, it doesn't take many users downloading season 5 of 24 at 8Gb a pop to dwarf all the of the ordinary web page impressions! The internet &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; mainstream, but the majority of internet users are either unaware, uninterested, confused by or afraid of P2P downloading. We're talking about grannies, mothers, office workers, school kids, not just students and techies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;r.pad is spot on. When I was at university, we had high speed internet, and it was the early days of P2P, the wild west. Anyone could download music - it was easy, unrestricted, unchallenged and fast. Plenty of songs were cbeing downloaded, but plenty more CDs were being bought. It isn't a matter of honesty, it's purely about convenience, laziness. To some it's easier (and more fun) to spend the time required to get to grips with P2P, others enjoy shopping for CDs and find it easier to get their music that way. And plenty more will do both.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p2p might be mainstream amongst tech blog commentators, but if I was to ask around the pub who had heard of, never mind indulged in p2p downloading, I&#8217;d get shrugs and confused looks (and possibly a beating, depending on the boozer). But if I asked who owned an iPod, I&#8217;d get a big show of hands. I can count ten iPod owners in my office, and only 1 of them uses P2P services (and he&#8217;s the biggest music buyer of the lot). The rest can scarcely cope with ripping their own CDs in iTunes.</p>
<p>Of course P2P traffic represents a huge chunk of internet traffic, it doesn&#8217;t take many users downloading season 5 of 24 at 8Gb a pop to dwarf all the of the ordinary web page impressions! The internet <em>is</em> mainstream, but the majority of internet users are either unaware, uninterested, confused by or afraid of P2P downloading. We&#8217;re talking about grannies, mothers, office workers, school kids, not just students and techies.</p>
<p>r.pad is spot on. When I was at university, we had high speed internet, and it was the early days of P2P, the wild west. Anyone could download music - it was easy, unrestricted, unchallenged and fast. Plenty of songs were cbeing downloaded, but plenty more CDs were being bought. It isn&#8217;t a matter of honesty, it&#8217;s purely about convenience, laziness. To some it&#8217;s easier (and more fun) to spend the time required to get to grips with P2P, others enjoy shopping for CDs and find it easier to get their music that way. And plenty more will do both.</p>
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		<title>By: r.pad</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/11/09/microsoft-zune-the-music-mafia/#comment-71786</link>
		<dc:creator>r.pad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 04:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I dunno stevenk&#8230;maybe being a college professor gives you a skewed view. When I was in college and if MP3 players were around, I probably would of had some pirated music since my budget was tight. Still, even then most of my music collection was comprised of CDs that I bought second hand. CD burners were around, but I didn't copy from my friends.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now that I'm an adult (arguably) I can afford the music I want. There are zero pirated songs on my iPod. Most of the songs are burned from CDs I own. There's a decent portion of songs and videos I purchased from iTunes as well. More and more I find myself purchasing from iTunes. I'm starting to think that physical media is just stupid; I rather waste space on my iPod and PC hard drive instead of space in my apartment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno stevenk&#8230;maybe being a college professor gives you a skewed view. When I was in college and if MP3 players were around, I probably would of had some pirated music since my budget was tight. Still, even then most of my music collection was comprised of CDs that I bought second hand. CD burners were around, but I didn&#8217;t copy from my friends.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;m an adult (arguably) I can afford the music I want. There are zero pirated songs on my iPod. Most of the songs are burned from CDs I own. There&#8217;s a decent portion of songs and videos I purchased from iTunes as well. More and more I find myself purchasing from iTunes. I&#8217;m starting to think that physical media is just stupid; I rather waste space on my iPod and PC hard drive instead of space in my apartment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranjit Mathoda</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/11/09/microsoft-zune-the-music-mafia/#comment-71785</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjit Mathoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think this deal is a clever piece of judo by Microsoft.  They become more friendly to the record companies than Apple currently is, and they cause the record companies to seek the same deal from Apple.  Which hurts Apple much more than it hurts Microsoft, because it aims more directly at Apple's business model and business situation. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ranjit &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;See my post on the subject here: http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this deal is a clever piece of judo by Microsoft.  They become more friendly to the record companies than Apple currently is, and they cause the record companies to seek the same deal from Apple.  Which hurts Apple much more than it hurts Microsoft, because it aims more directly at Apple&#8217;s business model and business situation. </p>
<p>Ranjit </p>
<p>See my post on the subject here: <a href="http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86" rel="nofollow">http://www.mathoda.com/archives/86</a></p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Someone asked a very good question (sean I think). What about the musicians? Well most of them get nothing from CD sales at all. Not unless they make it to the top of the pops or whatever. I know this because I used to be in a band and I had to deal with this. You get an advancement and a contract you can't get rid of, and never see any money from them again unless yousell hundrends of thousands of copies of whatever they create. And most of the time you need to use the money you get to record things anyway, so the income is practically zero. For Musicians get money from live-shows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I do is I buy music streight for the bands - if they offer it ofcourse. If the music industry goes down it, well, that's fine by me. They do not make the music, people do. And the people who do make music would be much better of without them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry for getting a bit of topic, but the music industry has been stealing from the artists for decades now. I felt somebody had to point this out. Do some research about the contracts offered to the artists and what they actually mean and you will see my point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked a very good question (sean I think). What about the musicians? Well most of them get nothing from CD sales at all. Not unless they make it to the top of the pops or whatever. I know this because I used to be in a band and I had to deal with this. You get an advancement and a contract you can&#8217;t get rid of, and never see any money from them again unless yousell hundrends of thousands of copies of whatever they create. And most of the time you need to use the money you get to record things anyway, so the income is practically zero. For Musicians get money from live-shows.</p>
<p>What I do is I buy music streight for the bands - if they offer it ofcourse. If the music industry goes down it, well, that&#8217;s fine by me. They do not make the music, people do. And the people who do make music would be much better of without them.</p>
<p>Sorry for getting a bit of topic, but the music industry has been stealing from the artists for decades now. I felt somebody had to point this out. Do some research about the contracts offered to the artists and what they actually mean and you will see my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Werner, It has already been said by Doug Morris that the Apple renegotiation is coming up.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, ITunes represents 80% of the pie now but that number would quickly be replaced by any number of distribution outlets if Apple ceased to exist.  They have very little leverage in any negotiation with rights holders.  Sure, the sales are nice but the right to be able to sell the songs is a much larger trump card.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werner, It has already been said by Doug Morris that the Apple renegotiation is coming up.  </p>
<p>Sure, ITunes represents 80% of the pie now but that number would quickly be replaced by any number of distribution outlets if Apple ceased to exist.  They have very little leverage in any negotiation with rights holders.  Sure, the sales are nice but the right to be able to sell the songs is a much larger trump card.</p>
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		<title>By: tf</title>
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		<dc:creator>tf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;" 2) UMG will use this deal as a precedent for next year’s negotiations with Apple."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why do people assume Apple renegotiate's every year? The first round of deals was for 2 years, and the second round the term was undisclosed but much likely probably longer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for thinking this precedent has any weight, it doesn't. UMG says, "Well, Microsoft paid it." Apple says, "We represent 80% of all digital sales, are the #3 distributor of music (soon to happen) of any media (hard or digital), we sell several million tracks per week."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oms final statement is brilliant and deserves repeating: "If Apple had to pay at least $1 per device for every iPod sold over past [five] fiscal years, its cost would be $62 million at minimum: or about one more song per device [or 12.4 million per year or .2 songs per year]. If music industry cannot sell [two-tenths of an] additional song to consumers [per year] (and has to blackmail for more money) then, you as a business, have lost grip over your core competency." [Revised for accuracy.]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or more appropriately consider the varying degrees of leverage if Microsoft somehow, miraculously sold as many Zunes in year one as Apple has sold over five years: MS nets $62 million for UMG, Apple nets .65 (% given to studios per track sold) x 1,000,000,000+ x 1/3 (the % of the market UMG represents) = $216,666,666+. That makes Microsoft's/UMG's leverage equal to 28% of Apple's share to/leverage over UMG presuming that Microsoft can equal Apple's market over 5 years in one year. Absurd.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; 2) UMG will use this deal as a precedent for next year’s negotiations with Apple.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do people assume Apple renegotiate&#8217;s every year? The first round of deals was for 2 years, and the second round the term was undisclosed but much likely probably longer.</p>
<p>As for thinking this precedent has any weight, it doesn&#8217;t. UMG says, &#8220;Well, Microsoft paid it.&#8221; Apple says, &#8220;We represent 80% of all digital sales, are the #3 distributor of music (soon to happen) of any media (hard or digital), we sell several million tracks per week.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oms final statement is brilliant and deserves repeating: &#8220;If Apple had to pay at least $1 per device for every iPod sold over past [five] fiscal years, its cost would be $62 million at minimum: or about one more song per device [or 12.4 million per year or .2 songs per year]. If music industry cannot sell [two-tenths of an] additional song to consumers [per year] (and has to blackmail for more money) then, you as a business, have lost grip over your core competency.&#8221; [Revised for accuracy.]</p>
<p>Or more appropriately consider the varying degrees of leverage if Microsoft somehow, miraculously sold as many Zunes in year one as Apple has sold over five years: MS nets $62 million for UMG, Apple nets .65 (% given to studios per track sold) x 1,000,000,000+ x 1/3 (the % of the market UMG represents) = $216,666,666+. That makes Microsoft&#8217;s/UMG&#8217;s leverage equal to 28% of Apple&#8217;s share to/leverage over UMG presuming that Microsoft can equal Apple&#8217;s market over 5 years in one year. Absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 00:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree that Microsoft's arrangement with Universal is actually a bid to crush the competition, especially iTunes. A classical monopolistic tactic is to make arrangements with vendors which cannot be matched by your competitors, You accept losses only as long as needed to crush your opponents, then you can set whatever prices and arrangements you want.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Microsoft's current monopoly was created by forcing anti-competitive arrangements on their partners. Why would they ever regard this as a bad idea?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that Microsoft&#8217;s arrangement with Universal is actually a bid to crush the competition, especially iTunes. A classical monopolistic tactic is to make arrangements with vendors which cannot be matched by your competitors, You accept losses only as long as needed to crush your opponents, then you can set whatever prices and arrangements you want.</p>
<p>Microsoft&#8217;s current monopoly was created by forcing anti-competitive arrangements on their partners. Why would they ever regard this as a bad idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Som</title>
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		<dc:creator>Som</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft and UMG are entering into an agreement because 1) Microsoft needs the content to open Zune Marketplace and 2) UMG will use this deal as a precedent for next year's negotiations with Apple.  The biggest problem, of course, is that this does nothing to advance the monetization of music files.  If such a levy was enacted to provide Zune customers to download music freely, it would be a ground breaking moment.
This is more akin to Ed Whitacre falsely claiming Google was getting a free ride through his network.  Erecting tolls on device manufacturers will not save the music industry from extinction; only by embracing the idea of selling files and licensing usage can we move forward.  Sadly, this is more of the same old techniques of being king makers for those who play nice with the content emperor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that Microsoft and UMG are entering into an agreement because 1) Microsoft needs the content to open Zune Marketplace and 2) UMG will use this deal as a precedent for next year&#8217;s negotiations with Apple.  The biggest problem, of course, is that this does nothing to advance the monetization of music files.  If such a levy was enacted to provide Zune customers to download music freely, it would be a ground breaking moment.<br />
This is more akin to Ed Whitacre falsely claiming Google was getting a free ride through his network.  Erecting tolls on device manufacturers will not save the music industry from extinction; only by embracing the idea of selling files and licensing usage can we move forward.  Sadly, this is more of the same old techniques of being king makers for those who play nice with the content emperor.</p>
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		<title>By: SFGary</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFGary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For a company that is battling Sony in the console business and beat Palm in the PDA OS market I find it incomprehensible that they would make this move.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems like a desperation move by Microsoft even before the battle has begun with Apple or its bribery to make the Music industry feel more comfortable in working with them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a company that is battling Sony in the console business and beat Palm in the PDA OS market I find it incomprehensible that they would make this move.</p>
<p>It seems like a desperation move by Microsoft even before the battle has begun with Apple or its bribery to make the Music industry feel more comfortable in working with them.</p>
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