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Like many others installing Vista on their UMPC, I found the time to install RC 2 on the Samsung Q1. Folks are sharing their successes (and failures) with other Origami devices like the eo i7210 (listed as Vista Capable but not working yet) and the eo […]

Vista_desktop_basicLike many others installing Vista on their UMPC, I found the time to install RC 2 on the Samsung Q1. Folks are sharing their successes (and failures) with other Origami devices like the eo i7210 (listed as Vista Capable but not working yet) and the eo v7110 as well. What’s interesting is that even though each device complies with the "Origami" requirements, the results are never quite the same due to differences such as drivers and touchscreen hardware. Still, for those who want to know if you can run Vista on a UMPC, I say again: "Yes, you can…if you put some effort into it".

In this installation, I decided to play it safe and create a another partition on the Q1. Out of the box, there are two partitions already configured: one Windows XP Embedded partition for AVS multimedia functions and one Windows XP Tablet Edition partition for the main usage. Adding a third partition is easily accomplished through any third party partition management software; I used Partition Magic since I already own a licensed copy.

Using the USB 2.0 cable and integrated SuperLink software that came with my Q1, I quickly transferred the 2.5 GB .ISO image file for Vista from a desktop to the Q1′s main partition. Using the Virtual CD powertoy, I created a virtual mount to the .ISO file and labeled it Z: After that it was a simple execution of Z:setup within Windows Explorer to kick off the installation. Within 40 minutes, Vista was installed and ready for a few minor personalizations such as my User Name and Password, etc….

This is one sticking point on the Q1, because once you get here, you need a USB keyboard attached to continue along. From what I’ve read, some other UMPCs still have access to an on-screen keyboard to continue without connecting a USB keyboard. I also noticed at this juncture that my touchscreen calibration was off, making it difficult to tap the Next buttons at the bottom right of the screen. Calibration was fine up to this point and I never had to use a resolution greater than the native 800 x 480 for the install.

Upon the first desktop view, Vista downloaded and installed and update for Windows Defender, but nothing else. I immediately noticed from the Desktop view that Vista was running the "Windows Vista Basic" theme, which was to be expected. Just for grins, I also ran the Windows Experience Index. Most of the indices on a standard Q1 with a 1 GB upgrade were actually reasonable for a UMPC.

Windows_experience_index_1

Obviously the device is lacking in the graphics area. Aero Glass isn’t possible on the Q1 since the driver for the Intel 915GM chipset is not a WDDM driver. Additionally, I noticed that the Foxconn Bluetooth 2.0 module wasn’t working as there was no driver installed. Windows Update didn’t find any drivers for this, so I attempted to install the Bluetooth Driver from the Samsung Q1 product page, which is based on the WIDCOMM stack. A quick pairing of my Think Outside Sierra Bluetooth keyboard worked like a charm.

Bluetooth_1

My next step was to get the calibration working. Previously, I’ve installed the Samsung XP utilities for this, but that only worked until I rebooted once; clearly not a long-term solution. This time, I tried one of the tips that Darryl at the Geekzone blogs used for his eo calibration. Unfortunately, this tip appears to use the Microsoft calibration tool which doesn’t work for the Q1; apparently, Vista still doesn’t recognize this particular touchscreen model OR I simply can’t get the right drivers loaded for it.

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Armed with that info, I fired up Windows Update again and found one option update from 8/4/2006 for the USB Touchscreen Controller. I have tried this upgrade with previous versions of Vista and ended up even worse from a touchscreen perspective, but gave it a go anyway. Immediately after the update, the calibration wasn’t just "off a bit" as before, it was completely whacked. When dragging the stylus from top to bottom for example, the cursor moved from bottom up. I used a mouse to get around without any issue and promptly rebooted.

Since the machine was shutting down, I tried the AVStation startup option and that worked without a hitch. This was expected because this is the Windows XP Embedded partition, so I didn’t make any modifications to it.

EgalaxAfter validating AVStation, I booted back into Vista. You don’t need a keyboard in a multi-boot situation on the Q1 as the analog stick will allow you to select from the OS options and the Return or Back hardware button works as a select. Once in Vista again, I quickly got frustrated with the lack of a touchscreen, so on a hunch, I hit up the Egalax website and downloaded the latest touchscreen driver for Windows XP. After installation, I gave another reboot and hey…I have my touchscreen back! I installed the Samsung Q1 Touchkit application and ran a 25 point calibration without any issues! This driver is dated 9/25/2006, so it’s relatively recent.

Calibration_utility

One downside to the Touchkit application: after every reboot, there’s a little on-screen mouse that appears for tapping the left or right mouse buttons. There’s an option to disable it, but it keeps coming back after a reboot: a minor annoyance.

Mouse_button

At this point there’s plenty more to test, so I’ll let this simmer and do a "Vistagami 3.1 Post" after I get some additional apps installed, test other functions, add the floating tip, etc… The good news is that while the Samsung Q1 UMPC isn’t officially tagged as Vista Capable, you can see that it’s fairly capable with a little bit of tweaking and effort!

As a recap & summary, here’s what’s working:

  • Ethernet connection
  • Bluetooth connection
  • Touchscreen fully calibrated
  • AVStation on the Windows XP Embedded Partition
  • Windows XP Tablet Edition on a separate partition

Here’s what I either haven’t tested yet or got working yet

  • WiFi
  • Hardware buttons / screen rotation / screen resolution changes
  • Floating tip
  • Application installs and usage

Some final notes:

  • Microsoft’s Calibration utility never worked on the Q1 in XP, so it’s unlikely to ever work in Vista; this is why Samsung provides a third-party utility.
  • The base OS is at least as snappy as XP, if not snappier.
  • The silly mouse button re-appears on the screen after every boot.
  1. “Some final notes:

    Microsoft’s Calibration utility never worked on the Q1 in XP, so it’s unlikely to ever work in Vista; this is why Samsung provides a third-party utility.”

    This is because Samsung has yet to create a HID driver for the digitizer. MS is putting pressure on them to do so, and unless they do, Tablet PC programs will see the Q1 as just a mouse. That means low sample rate, jaggies, and potentially no support at all for digital ink unless the app accepts mouse input too.

    Samsung is being extremely irresponsible only partly implementing the necessary components for being a true Tablet PC. They need to get that HID driver out soon.

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  2. Oh BTW, the above is also the reason why you don’t have the keyboard at install time and the reason the TIP/touch enhancements are off by default.

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  3. In the eo v7110 as soon as the eGalax driver was installed from Windows Update the TIP appeared in one of the screen sides.

    The funny thing is that both Samsung and Amtek are using the same eGalax and the eo found the drivers using Windows update and the Samsung could not.

    I think that Josh is right.

    Well, I’m getting my samsung at the end of this week or beginning of the next so your article has helped me a lot to understand what is going on with Samsung and Vista.

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  4. Amtek uses serial touch chip and others usb.
    Amtek is also the only one with tablet os bios, others are on the hw/bios side “normal” laptops.

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  5. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE “MEDIA CENTER” EXPERIENCE ON THE Q1 WITH VISTA ?

    THANKS !!!!

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  6. Erik, the Media Center functionality should be probably be seen and not read about so…..perhaps we’ll see a video of Vista RC2 on the Q1? Hold tight…. ;)

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  7. you right Kevin….a video would be very very nice !

    to help us wait till the video is done, can you at least tell us if its usable ? or just too slow to use ?

    THANKS !!!
    this blog is amazing by the way !!!!

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  8. I’ve spent all of ten minutes with the Media Center application in Vista on the Q1, so I have not watched any videos as of yet. I did listen to music, navigate around the inteface and played a few minutes of Chess (there are several included games in MC). All of these tasks went extremely well. I am working on taking some DTV & HDTV video I’ve recorded on my main WMCE desktop and moving a file or two over to the Q1…that’s something we’ll have to see. ;) Thanks for the kudos on the site; James and I really appreciate the reader support!

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  9. I installed RC1 and found that the digitizer driver that comes off of windows update keeps timing out if you do not touch it for a minute. I contacted egalax at http://www.egalax.com.tw and they said to download the latest calibration utility from them. I installed it and still had the problem then I emailed them again and they said to change the registry setting [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESYSTEMCurrentControlSetEnumUSBVID_0EEF&PID_00015&3b27c391&0&1Device ParametersIdleTimer]. I changed it to 0 and everything works great now

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