Comments on: Netscape Has Attention, If Nothing Else http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/ The Business of Technology Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:30:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: sartist http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57655 sartist Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:24:51 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57655 <p>Probably getting a lot of hits simply because it takes so many clicks to open your mail now. Page freezes, or the new aol mail does not load properly.It times out on a regular basis as well. And, I have more security dialog boxes than the Pentagon.</p> <p>By the way, anyone know what this means?</p> <p>BLT #221204: Start the pages out in a dirty state so that if phantom iframe // calls are made after a refresh/reload, the page will still get reinitialized // like it should when clicking on the tab.</p> <p>Just curious.</p> <p>If I wanted aol mail, I would have signed up a long time ago. But I have had nothing but trouble since the change took place. So my guess is that the hit increase reflects the fact that they have mega glitches that have not been ironed out, and users are trying to access the damn page theyt want…like their mail?? Which used to be an easy thing.</p> <p>Still, it irks to me think that I now have aol related mail. I do not trust aol…period.</p> Probably getting a lot of hits simply because it takes so many clicks to open your mail now. Page freezes, or the new aol mail does not load properly.It times out on a regular basis as well. And, I have more security dialog boxes than the Pentagon.

By the way, anyone know what this means?

BLT #221204: Start the pages out in a dirty state so that if phantom iframe
// calls are made after a refresh/reload, the page will still get reinitialized
// like it should when clicking on the tab.

Just curious.

If I wanted aol mail, I would have signed up a long time ago. But I have had nothing but trouble since the change took place. So my guess is that the hit increase reflects the fact that they have mega glitches that have not been ironed out, and users are trying to access the damn page theyt want…like their mail?? Which used to be an easy thing.

Still, it irks to me think that I now have aol related mail. I do not trust aol…period.

]]> By: OldMarine http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57636 OldMarine Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:50:53 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57636 <p>Well today AOL did the final insult. They tried to make all the old netscape.net(pre AOL) mail users join AOL. Jason Calacanis you sux.</p> Well today AOL did the final insult. They tried to make all the old netscape.net(pre AOL) mail users join AOL. Jason Calacanis you sux.

]]> By: Cora http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57627 Cora Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:11:41 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57627 <p>See the real problem with the new netscape is that people can vote for the news.</p> <p>Why this is a problem; All the news items at the top of the list are about TOm Cruses' baby, or Star Leaving the Veiw.</p> <p>Voteing for world news is dumb.</p> <p>Netscape is gone from my pc now, nothing left except a bookmark at the bottem of the list.</p> See the real problem with the new netscape is that people can vote for the news.

Why this is a problem; All the news items at the top of the list are about TOm Cruses’ baby, or Star Leaving the Veiw.

Voteing for world news is dumb.

Netscape is gone from my pc now, nothing left except a bookmark at the bottem of the list.

]]> By: Jeff Anthony http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57624 Jeff Anthony Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:51:53 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57624 <p>The new Netscape news is terrible. Picking tech news and info by democracy like Digg does is one thing, but picking and choosing the world news? That's too frightening to even think about. People already turn a deaf ear to what they don't want to hear, now they can just make it all go away. I have faithfully used Netscape for my news for years, but no more. I'd rather have to choke down news that I don't want to face that is at least trying to represent a worldview of the truth rather than slurp down a gruel of my own making.</p> <p>Also, most of the comments on the news are uninformed and immature. What would be a cool idea would be to take a group of pundits/reporters/authors/commentators etc. and let them not only comment on the major news stories, but comment on each other's comments as well.</p> The new Netscape news is terrible. Picking tech news and info by democracy like Digg does is one thing, but picking and choosing the world news? That’s too frightening to even think about. People already turn a deaf ear to what they don’t want to hear, now they can just make it all go away. I have faithfully used Netscape for my news for years, but no more. I’d rather have to choke down news that I don’t want to face that is at least trying to represent a worldview of the truth rather than slurp down a gruel of my own making.

Also, most of the comments on the news are uninformed and immature. What would be a cool idea would be to take a group of pundits/reporters/authors/commentators etc. and let them not only comment on the major news stories, but comment on each other’s comments as well.

]]> By: Tom http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57622 Tom Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:51:22 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57622 <p>Someone comes up with a good idea (digg) and then everybody's got to go knocking it off. Way to go Netscape. 10 pts for origionality.</p> Someone comes up with a good idea (digg) and then everybody’s got to go knocking it off. Way to go Netscape. 10 pts for origionality.

]]> By: Nunya http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57605 Nunya Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:28:53 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57605 <p>I'd venture that the entire legacy of Netscape is how to screw up a brand.</p> 1-- Get bought by AOL. 2-- Cannibalize the browser. 3-- Start an ISP based on the Netscape brand. 4-- Threaten to turn the homepage into some sort of whack flash portal. 5-- Actually leave it as a portal, but start selling all sorts of advertorial. 6-- Profit?? I’d venture that the entire legacy of Netscape is how to screw up a brand.

1– Get bought by AOL.

2– Cannibalize the browser.

3– Start an ISP based on the Netscape brand.

4– Threaten to turn the homepage into some sort of whack flash portal.

5– Actually leave it as a portal, but start selling all sorts of advertorial.

6– Profit??

]]> By: Jon http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57601 Jon Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:35:24 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57601 <p>Traffic isn't always equal to happy users and this is certainly true of Netscape.</p> <p>They first released a poorly done clone of Digg with a bunch of annoying ads stuffed everywhere (they even had an ad section <em>between</em> the comments!) Of course this resulted in a ton of traffic from Digg users, Slashdot (pretty much all of which hated the new Netscape site) and such then some mainstream media started covering it driving more traffic.</p> <p>Then, they quickly pushed their crappy Digg clone to be the new Netscape homepage. This resulted in a huge traffic boost too--but mostly just from the old Netscape portal users who seemed to all hate the Digg-clone Netscape.</p> <p>The new Netscape site is nothing but a lesson in how to screw up a brand.</p> Traffic isn’t always equal to happy users and this is certainly true of Netscape.

They first released a poorly done clone of Digg with a bunch of annoying ads stuffed everywhere (they even had an ad section between the comments!) Of course this resulted in a ton of traffic from Digg users, Slashdot (pretty much all of which hated the new Netscape site) and such then some mainstream media started covering it driving more traffic.

Then, they quickly pushed their crappy Digg clone to be the new Netscape homepage. This resulted in a huge traffic boost too–but mostly just from the old Netscape portal users who seemed to all hate the Digg-clone Netscape.

The new Netscape site is nothing but a lesson in how to screw up a brand.

]]> By: kosmar http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57596 kosmar Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:49:55 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57596 <p>i think its great to see how the disliking users act and what they think when you go and read those threads where they complain:</p> <p>most think the site is part of the browser, say that they love netscapes mail (which will be gone soon, i heard); they announce to switch their browser … this shows that most people dont even know that you can edit what your startpage is, no matter which software you use. it obvious that those are probably aol users are used to run in walled gardens that have software and content tied together as one. no wonder those cant imagine and probably wont ever want a collaborative read/write experience. its the leanback television feel to the medium they bring to the web as well. which is not a problem in itself. but would youve thought that an <em>ability</em> to vote on news would kill them so much? the content in fact is about the same relevance level than before, no? id love to see a comparision between whats news on netscape and whats news on aol.com. where are you potentially missing more interesting content?</p> i think its great to see how the disliking users act and what they think when you go and read those threads where they complain:

most think the site is part of the browser, say that they love netscapes mail (which will be gone soon, i heard); they announce to switch their browser …
this shows that most people dont even know that you can edit what your startpage is, no matter which software you use.
it obvious that those are probably aol users are used to run in walled gardens that have software and content tied together as one.
no wonder those cant imagine and probably wont ever want a collaborative read/write experience. its the leanback television feel to the medium they bring to the web as well. which is not a problem in itself. but would youve thought that an ability to vote on news would kill them so much? the content in fact is about the same relevance level than before, no? id love to see a comparision between whats news on netscape and whats news on aol.com. where are you potentially missing more interesting content?

]]> By: Amy http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57591 Amy Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:58:11 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57591 <p>I have used Netscape for many years and I have always liked it, so I just kind of stuck with it. Now I only use it for my mail. If I wanted a Digg type site I would go to Digg.com, duh. Unfortunatley Netscape seems pretty set in their new way and refuses to admit that the change may not have been as wonderful as they say it is. If the traffic on Netscape is really up it is probably because of people searching for the old site and accidentally going back to the new crap.</p> I have used Netscape for many years and I have always liked it, so I just kind of stuck with it. Now I only use it for my mail. If I wanted a Digg type site I would go to Digg.com, duh. Unfortunatley Netscape seems pretty set in their new way and refuses to admit that the change may not have been as wonderful as they say it is. If the traffic on Netscape is really up it is probably because of people searching for the old site and accidentally going back to the new crap.

]]> By: thomas http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57588 thomas Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:46:16 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57588 <p>the traffic increased cause i included them on http://popurls.com dot</p> the traffic increased cause i included them on (link) dot

]]> By: brian sodol http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57585 brian sodol Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:09:24 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57585 <p>i'm not a fan. jason calacanis is involved. enough said!</p> i’m not a fan. jason calacanis is involved. enough said!

]]> By: Stainless steel utensil http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57583 Stainless steel utensil Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:58:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57583 <p>I liked the old netscape better. But thats probabaly coz I had gotten comfortable with it. The new ones not bad either.</p> I liked the old netscape better. But thats probabaly coz I had gotten comfortable with it. The new ones not bad either.

]]> By: april http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57572 april Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:45:32 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57572 <p>I can't stand the new netscape!!</p> I can’t stand the new netscape!!

]]> By: more in the know http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57570 more in the know Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:33:39 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57570 <p>'In the know' has its data wrong. MM #s look ok out of the gate (flat to up in terms of pages views, uniqes down a bit, but so is the whole category due to seasonality). Not bad for a format change. Time will tell. Om, you to add a "Submit To Netscape" button! </p> <p>javascript:(function(){var u=escape(window.location);var t=escape(document.title); var c = '';if (window.getSelection){c = window.getSelection();}else if (document.getSelection){c = document.getSelection();}else if (document.selection){c = document.selection.createRange().text;} window.location='http://www.netscape.com/submit/?U=' u '&T=' t '&C=' c;})() Submit To Netscape</p> ‘In the know’ has its data wrong. MM #s look ok out of the gate (flat to up in terms of pages views, uniqes down a bit, but so is the whole category due to seasonality). Not bad for a format change. Time will tell. Om, you to add a “Submit To Netscape” button!

javascript:(function(){var u=escape(window.location);var t=escape(document.title); var c = ”;if (window.getSelection){c = window.getSelection();}else if (document.getSelection){c = document.getSelection();}else if (document.selection){c = document.selection.createRange().text;} window.location=’http://www.netscape.com/submit/?U=’ u ‘&T=’ t ‘&C=’ c;})()
Submit To Netscape

]]> By: Davis Freeberg http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57566 Davis Freeberg Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:21:30 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57566 <p>I think that the Netscape site completely sucks. It's layout is confusing, the commentary laughable and while I can appreciate that they are trying to innovate by copying Digg, it lacks all originality. I give as much chance as the Ebay backed Scooop.net that launched to great hype and then has dropped off the face of the earth. </p> <p>If I'm going to use a competitor to Digg, I'll stick with Newsvine. The commentary is much better thought out, then what diggers provide and the layout looks more like a traditional newspaper instead of the pure caos on the Netscape site.</p> I think that the Netscape site completely sucks. It’s layout is confusing, the commentary laughable and while I can appreciate that they are trying to innovate by copying Digg, it lacks all originality. I give as much chance as the Ebay backed Scooop.net that launched to great hype and then has dropped off the face of the earth.

If I’m going to use a competitor to Digg, I’ll stick with Newsvine. The commentary is much better thought out, then what diggers provide and the layout looks more like a traditional newspaper instead of the pure caos on the Netscape site.

]]> By: In The Know http://gigaom.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57538 In The Know Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:42:41 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/07/17/netscape-has-attention-if-nothing-else/#comment-57538 <p>I'm not sure how reliable your data is. The truth is that Netscape traffic has fallen almost 50% since launch (both page views and unique visitors). It may be that with the new URL structure all of the traffic is being seen to hit the portal top, rather than the content channels. Wait until the Media Metrix reports come out in August. You'll see how dismall the traffic really looks.</p> I’m not sure how reliable your data is. The truth is that Netscape traffic has fallen almost 50% since launch (both page views and unique visitors). It may be that with the new URL structure all of the traffic is being seen to hit the portal top, rather than the content channels. Wait until the Media Metrix reports come out in August. You’ll see how dismall the traffic really looks.

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