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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51883</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 02:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have you noticed that Yahoo search is now at least as good as Google search?  Things that Google misses show up in Yahoo.  And Yahoo misses some things that Google picks up, but on balance at this point neither is better than the other.  And to do a really comprehensive search you need to use both--unfortunately.  That said, Yahoo&#039;s long term position is in my opinion superior.  Google&#039;s appeal had always been its simplicity--SEARCH.  When they venture into the portal space, they lose their appeal.  They may do things better (Gmail vs. Yahoo Mail, for example), but those better ways of doing things are quickly imitated.  The problem with Yahoo now is that typing yahoo.com doesn&#039;t take you to search.yahoo.com, which is what we really want.  And that&#039;s probably the only thing that will keep Google around.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed that Yahoo search is now at least as good as Google search?  Things that Google misses show up in Yahoo.  And Yahoo misses some things that Google picks up, but on balance at this point neither is better than the other.  And to do a really comprehensive search you need to use both&#8211;unfortunately.  That said, Yahoo&#8217;s long term position is in my opinion superior.  Google&#8217;s appeal had always been its simplicity&#8211;SEARCH.  When they venture into the portal space, they lose their appeal.  They may do things better (Gmail vs. Yahoo Mail, for example), but those better ways of doing things are quickly imitated.  The problem with Yahoo now is that typing yahoo.com doesn&#8217;t take you to search.yahoo.com, which is what we really want.  And that&#8217;s probably the only thing that will keep Google around.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: SentientOrder</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51881</link>
		<dc:creator>SentientOrder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Case in point about over reaching: Google Mars. what a waste of time. As a google shareholder, that kind of thing miffs me. It got buzz for one day, 10 people looked at it and no one ever will again and it does zero for their revenue near or long term.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;what&#039;s in a name &#8230; oh nothing at all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;smiles
jeff&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Case in point about over reaching: Google Mars. what a waste of time. As a google shareholder, that kind of thing miffs me. It got buzz for one day, 10 people looked at it and no one ever will again and it does zero for their revenue near or long term.&#8221;</p>

<p>what&#8217;s in a name &#8230; oh nothing at all.</p>

<p>smiles
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		<title>By: Billy The Kid</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51879</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy The Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 06:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sorry, but this data shows little, leaves much to be explained and is being miss-interpretted in many track-backs.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first problem with it is that no accounting of unique users, which elminates skew associated with the number of page views visited within each domain.  This would give a better indication of which Google services are more popular than others (with respect to each other).  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The other problem is that they don&#039;t indicated &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; with regard to &quot;market share&quot; where the market is defined by the competing services offered by other companies.  Why is the term &quot;market share&quot; being used when there is no data from other Y or M services?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this data shows little, leaves much to be explained and is being miss-interpretted in many track-backs.  </p>

<p>The first problem with it is that no accounting of unique users, which elminates skew associated with the number of page views visited within each domain.  This would give a better indication of which Google services are more popular than others (with respect to each other).  </p>

<p>The other problem is that they don&#8217;t indicated <em>anything</em> with regard to &#8220;market share&#8221; where the market is defined by the competing services offered by other companies.  Why is the term &#8220;market share&#8221; being used when there is no data from other Y or M services?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott Milener</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51877</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Milener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google is trying waaay too many things.  Most of the junk they throw out there gets buzz for a few days, some portion of the early adopter crowd, then peters off.  There is not a coherent strategy to their releases, whether client software or services.  Yahoo, although slower to release things, has a much better strategy around grouping services and making them cross polinate throughout Yahoo so it feels like an organized place to do all those things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also belive Google&#039;s minimilst interface will get beaten unless they change it first.  Then web and search are moving away from being a list of links on a page to being more of a rich experience, but still simple, or simpler to use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Case in point about over reaching: Google Mars.  what a waste of time.  As a google shareholder, that kind of thing miffs me.  It got buzz for one day, 10 people looked at it and no one ever will again and it does zero for their revenue near or long term.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is trying waaay too many things.  Most of the junk they throw out there gets buzz for a few days, some portion of the early adopter crowd, then peters off.  There is not a coherent strategy to their releases, whether client software or services.  Yahoo, although slower to release things, has a much better strategy around grouping services and making them cross polinate throughout Yahoo so it feels like an organized place to do all those things.</p>

<p>I also belive Google&#8217;s minimilst interface will get beaten unless they change it first.  Then web and search are moving away from being a list of links on a page to being more of a rich experience, but still simple, or simpler to use.</p>

<p>Case in point about over reaching: Google Mars.  what a waste of time.  As a google shareholder, that kind of thing miffs me.  It got buzz for one day, 10 people looked at it and no one ever will again and it does zero for their revenue near or long term.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ved</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 20:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google finance is relatively new offering, so low numbers are not surprise there. Also, it appears that Yahoo seem to be taking google threat very seriously and improving their finance and other sections.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google finance is relatively new offering, so low numbers are not surprise there. Also, it appears that Yahoo seem to be taking google threat very seriously and improving their finance and other sections.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51873</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Zheng, PanMan, and co. :&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Om, your analysis is misleading at best.
The first set of percentage numbers gives the breakdown of popularity within the top 20 Google domain names.
&quot;Gmail = 5.51%&quot; means that 5.51% of all visits to Google websites are visits to the Gmail website, NOT that Gmail holds only 5.51% of the web-based email marketshare.
Same with all the rest of the list.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only number that pertains to your underlying argument (Google Reality Check) is the number for Google Finance, which indeed talks about market share for financial websites.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You would do well to precise these things in a follow-on post, because most readers do not scroll though all the comments, especially those reading from feed readers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Zheng, PanMan, and co. :</p>

<p>Om, your analysis is misleading at best.
The first set of percentage numbers gives the breakdown of popularity within the top 20 Google domain names.
&#8220;Gmail = 5.51%&#8221; means that 5.51% of all visits to Google websites are visits to the Gmail website, NOT that Gmail holds only 5.51% of the web-based email marketshare.
Same with all the rest of the list.</p>

<p>The only number that pertains to your underlying argument (Google Reality Check) is the number for Google Finance, which indeed talks about market share for financial websites.</p>

<p>You would do well to precise these things in a follow-on post, because most readers do not scroll though all the comments, especially those reading from feed readers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: met</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51871</link>
		<dc:creator>met</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 17:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maps, Mail, Personalized Page are all distractions to keep you coming back to the google group of sites and to get you used to their interface.
If there is 1% of the people using Personalized pages, those 1% stick with google because of that.
I believe thats why they keep saying that search is their focus.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maps, Mail, Personalized Page are all distractions to keep you coming back to the google group of sites and to get you used to their interface.
If there is 1% of the people using Personalized pages, those 1% stick with google because of that.
I believe thats why they keep saying that search is their focus.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Venkatesh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51869</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkatesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OM,
Alexa stats for traffic distribution are pretty accurate and inline with Hitwise stats.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I decided to check Yahoo and MSN ! 73% of MSN traffic is for Hotmail and 54% of yahoo is for Yahoo mail . Time for a reality check for Yahoo and MSN ?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OM,
Alexa stats for traffic distribution are pretty accurate and inline with Hitwise stats.</p>

<p>So I decided to check Yahoo and MSN ! 73% of MSN traffic is for Hotmail and 54% of yahoo is for Yahoo mail . Time for a reality check for Yahoo and MSN ?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Zheng</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51867</link>
		<dc:creator>Zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some more observations on the Hitwise analysis:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Search is universal but portal, email etc are more fragmented. If you go to China, Japan or UK, people use google search but not necessarily Gmail or Y! Finance.  It would be interesting to know total search vs email traffic breakdown.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Not all pageviews are equal. My feeling is search makes a lot of more money than portal. I dont remember I&#039;ve even clicked ads on Y! Finance but I do when I search stuff to buy on google.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) Text ads are much more effective than flashy graphics. I did some experiements and was shocked to see the difference between text ads and graphic banners on the same page for google adsense. This explains why google is making more money than Yahoo with less traffic.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more observations on the Hitwise analysis:</p>

<p>1) Search is universal but portal, email etc are more fragmented. If you go to China, Japan or UK, people use google search but not necessarily Gmail or Y! Finance.  It would be interesting to know total search vs email traffic breakdown.</p>

<p>2) Not all pageviews are equal. My feeling is search makes a lot of more money than portal. I dont remember I&#8217;ve even clicked ads on Y! Finance but I do when I search stuff to buy on google.</p>

<p>3) Text ads are much more effective than flashy graphics. I did some experiements and was shocked to see the difference between text ads and graphic banners on the same page for google adsense. This explains why google is making more money than Yahoo with less traffic.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brady Joslin</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51865</link>
		<dc:creator>Brady Joslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Google does not do a good job making the average Joe aware of all of the other services it offers.  They are all buried past their home page.  Sure, us folks that read blogs get all hyped up when they offer a new service and rush to sign up, but most folks are not like us.  Until they use their homepage to effectively advertise their other services, this will be the case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google seems to do a good job making ad money, but can&#039;t even effectively advertise their own products on their home page.  Sort of ironic.  The simplistic design of their homepage has always been praised as a reason for their popularity, but if Google wants to grow its service offerings they will need to figure out an effective way to gain awareness.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right now these services seem to operate in a vacuum and Google is not realizing synergies that could be made through cross-promotion.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google does not do a good job making the average Joe aware of all of the other services it offers.  They are all buried past their home page.  Sure, us folks that read blogs get all hyped up when they offer a new service and rush to sign up, but most folks are not like us.  Until they use their homepage to effectively advertise their other services, this will be the case.</p>

<p>Google seems to do a good job making ad money, but can&#8217;t even effectively advertise their own products on their home page.  Sort of ironic.  The simplistic design of their homepage has always been praised as a reason for their popularity, but if Google wants to grow its service offerings they will need to figure out an effective way to gain awareness.  </p>

<p>Right now these services seem to operate in a vacuum and Google is not realizing synergies that could be made through cross-promotion.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51863</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Panman wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t get the point of this analysis, other than showing that search is still Google’s primary thing?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When you add text search and image search together, you get more than 89% of all of Google&#039;s activity going to search. Yes, you don&#039;t use maps as frequently as you use search. But do you use mail throughout your day? How about news?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These aren&#039;t even coming close. It has implications on what Google will be when it &quot;grows up.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panman wrote:</p>

<blockquote>I don’t get the point of this analysis, other than showing that search is still Google’s primary thing?</blockquote>

<p>When you add text search and image search together, you get more than 89% of all of Google&#8217;s activity going to search. Yes, you don&#8217;t use maps as frequently as you use search. But do you use mail throughout your day? How about news?</p>

<p>These aren&#8217;t even coming close. It has implications on what Google will be when it &#8220;grows up.&#8221;</p>

<p>More <a>here</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: George Nimeh</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51861</link>
		<dc:creator>George Nimeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google never wanted to be a portal, and their traffic shows that despite the launch of many new products and services (everything from Finance to a Calendar) they are succeeding in not becoming one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also think that Google suffers from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/05/googles-nimoy-syndrome.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &quot;Nimoy Syndrome&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you agree?
~G~&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>

<p>Google never wanted to be a portal, and their traffic shows that despite the launch of many new products and services (everything from Finance to a Calendar) they are succeeding in not becoming one.</p>

<p>I also think that Google suffers from <a href="http://www.i-boy.com/weblog/2006/05/googles-nimoy-syndrome.html" rel="nofollow">the &#8220;Nimoy Syndrome&#8221;</a></p>

<p>Do you agree?
~G~</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Vickram</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51859</link>
		<dc:creator>Vickram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 12:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I wondered to myself, well perhaps, a little fear of the big brother up north is making them circle the wagons a little.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When will you Americans learn not to fear your Canadian brethren! When???&#8230;oh, you meant them&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wondered to myself, well perhaps, a little fear of the big brother up north is making them circle the wagons a little.&#8221;</p>

<p>When will you Americans learn not to fear your Canadian brethren! When???&#8230;oh, you meant them&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51857</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t get the point of this analysis, other than showing that search is still Google&#039;s primary thing? Saying that only 1% of visits to the Google domain go to Google Maps tells you almost nothing useful, and gets kind of a &quot;duh&quot; reaction from me. For example, I use a lot of Google&#039;s offerings&#8230; but I&#039;ll do 50-60 searches a day vs. using maps maybe once a day. It says more about the nature of the products than anything else - there&#039;s just a much smaller market for maps than search.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only meaningful metrics would be comparing each service to comparable ones - how does Google Maps traffic compare to Yahoo and Mapquest? How does Google Video compare to YouTube? Etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the point of this analysis, other than showing that search is still Google&#8217;s primary thing? Saying that only 1% of visits to the Google domain go to Google Maps tells you almost nothing useful, and gets kind of a &#8220;duh&#8221; reaction from me. For example, I use a lot of Google&#8217;s offerings&#8230; but I&#8217;ll do 50-60 searches a day vs. using maps maybe once a day. It says more about the nature of the products than anything else &#8211; there&#8217;s just a much smaller market for maps than search.</p>

<p>The only meaningful metrics would be comparing each service to comparable ones &#8211; how does Google Maps traffic compare to Yahoo and Mapquest? How does Google Video compare to YouTube? Etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: PanMan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51855</link>
		<dc:creator>PanMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 11:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zheng is right in his comment. From the article:
&lt;i&gt;The table below details the percentage market share that each property accounts for in relation to all visits to the top 20 Google Domains.&lt;/i&gt;
So the 0.82% for maps mean that less than 1% of all Google hits (visitors/whatever) are on maps. This could still mean they have a 90% market share in the mapping business, just that that business is way smaller than search is.
As for maps, my guestimate is way above the 1% market share. The same holds for image search (I&#039;d say above 50%) and many others.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zheng is right in his comment. From the article:
<i>The table below details the percentage market share that each property accounts for in relation to all visits to the top 20 Google Domains.</i>
So the 0.82% for maps mean that less than 1% of all Google hits (visitors/whatever) are on maps. This could still mean they have a 90% market share in the mapping business, just that that business is way smaller than search is.
As for maps, my guestimate is way above the 1% market share. The same holds for image search (I&#8217;d say above 50%) and many others.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ko</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/05/18/a-google-reality-check/#comment-51853</link>
		<dc:creator>ko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 11:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t help but feel that Google is changing the way they conduct to appease to their Wall Street overlords. Focus on your products, not on wall street.&lt;/p&gt;
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