If eBay’s plan was to use Skype to increase communication between buyer and seller, it was a bad move. There are a few problems that I have been running into, personally, with Skype…
1) I have Skype, but alot of the people I want to get in contact with REFUSE to download it
2) People are afraid of spyware and viruses… Believe it or not, ALOT of people I know have never heard of Skype (or Flickr for that matter)
3) Most people do not like voice communication, and usually use it as a LAST resort (I would venture instant text to be number one)
A solution would be to create a softwareless communication system whereby a user simply has to click a link to establish a communication attempt. This way, the person who wishes to recieve the communication would simply setup and account and generate a unique URL… The reciever of the communication attempt would have to be logged into the website, or they could install something like a browser extension. Either way, as long as ONE party has an account you can effectively communicate.
Through this method, you could choose voice, text, or anonymous e-mailing.
This could be implemented into several solutions:
1) embedded into advertising
2) embedded into product/service listings
3) internet forums and/or blogs
However, I just don’t see a business model for such a service…
By the way, Om… I see the reason for the drop-off in traffic. If you look at the months, the traffic spike may have been a result of Christmas shopping… I would suspect that purchasing slowly trailed off in the following months. ;-)
If you look at the price of eBay over a longer period you’ll see it was weakest at the same time last year. In the UK May’s a dry time for stocks being the start of the tax year (albeit the December peak was higher), don’t know if the IRS cycle is the same.
eBay absolutely has the right idea in how they are re-purposing Skype in order to gain competitive advantage for their classified properties (Motors, Kijiji, Rent). Moving beyond contact-us forms and phone numbers as response mechanisms is very important.
As relates to the eBay stock price, the question is still whether or not the competitive advantage gained is worth $2.6B minus whatever value the core Skype business had/has.
Nonetheless, classified sites that don’t respond with a similar or better solution will lose traffic fast IMO.
I still think that doing it via software is the wrong solution for reasons I stated above… I will agree that it’s a great idea for classifieds, ads, etc.. While eBay made the right decision, I think they made their decision too quick and picked up the wrong service for the wrong price. Skype was on track to be an AIM-like service, not really a device to help people increase sales, IMO.
Ricky/Robert: the graph above isn’t traffic, and it’s not Skype. it’s eBay’s stock price.
for a rough sense of Skype traffic (which has been going up, more than 100% growth in the past year), see here: http://tinyurl.com/frl4n
while there’s a legitimate contention that eBay overpaid for Skype traffic / users, a more detailed what-if analysis would probably entail looking at a) where eBay stock price would be if they hadn’t bought Skype, and b) where else could they have spent the money / what else could they have bought, and lastly c) what if they had simply issues a $1-2B dividend to shareholders…
i’d have to say that doing Skype was probably better than doing nothing, and if all they were buying were 30-70M Skype users internationally that were synergistic to eBay and PayPal non-US business, it probably wasn’t such a bad deal.
however, you could argue they might have been more creative with acquisition activity, or that they should simply have returned the excess cash to shareholders in the form of a dividend — other companies with slowing growth (notably Microsoft) have made this call lately. however, i’m guessing had they done so they would have immediately signaled to the market a much lower implied multiple.
a completely different strategy might also be to setup a corporate venture unit, and take $100-250M to invest in eBay-focused startup ventures… guessing that if you invested in 50-100 startups at around $1-2M each, you might end up with 3-4 Skypes in the mix after a few years. certainly with everyone focused on Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft this strategy could be helpful in other ways for eBay. witness Cisco’s successful efforts in spinning out / later acquiring related technology startups. probably a less immediate strategy, but perhaps also less speculative bet than the $2-4B Skype deal.
in summary i’d still grade the Skype deal as a ‘B/B-’ with an option on moving to a ‘B /A’ if the growth turns into the revenue they’re looking for in ’06/’07 and beyond.
Robert, I like your idea. Can this be accomplished by AJAX software. It has to launch a “software app”, but maybe this could be totally web-enabled without installing anything on the person’s PC, very similar to web-based e-mail vs an e-mail client like Outlook. This definitely has some merit.
Surely Google is developing this.
BTW, Skype is pathetic. I refuse to install it on my computer anymore. Everytime I install it, my CPU usage goes nuts. This happens when I just turn on the computer and don’t even use the sorry program over their sorry network.
Remember all that talk/rumors about google showing talk icons in their search results…I think Ebay fell for it and they wanted to be the first one and they just bought big “useless” gizmo. If I really wanted to do some search talk ( talk related to ads ) I would start with just pure simple IM icons tagged to search results. And only if it works I would upgrade it to Voice. Otherwise there is no point. May be Ebay is going to the “secret” the hardway.
Yes, such a service could be developed using AJAX and Javascript in general…
Does anyone recall the days of Yahoo Chat which allowed voice communication within the chatbox using only Java? I am on the bandwagon that 85% of people don’t want to download software, and the majority don’t want to do voice communication – even though that should always be an option.
I wanted to pose this as a question more than anything else. I think it is interesting that stock initially popped up, maybe because of the Christmas expectations but has been sinking. I did a look at the daily revenues of Skype, which are actually not growing as fast – though the “downloads” are.
i often wonder about the schism in the usage of Skype overseas and in the US, and how this translates into opportunities for eBay in the non-US markets.
well, if you clearly read between the lines, things don’t look for that ipo. vonage has some serious problems going forward. free numbers/ free calling from skype and aol isonly going to create a bother.
What’s the cause and effect here? I don’t see any evidence that Skype was a bad investment.
It is a bad investment if no one is using it.
If eBay’s plan was to use Skype to increase communication between buyer and seller, it was a bad move. There are a few problems that I have been running into, personally, with Skype…
1) I have Skype, but alot of the people I want to get in contact with REFUSE to download it
2) People are afraid of spyware and viruses… Believe it or not, ALOT of people I know have never heard of Skype (or Flickr for that matter)
3) Most people do not like voice communication, and usually use it as a LAST resort (I would venture instant text to be number one)
A solution would be to create a softwareless communication system whereby a user simply has to click a link to establish a communication attempt. This way, the person who wishes to recieve the communication would simply setup and account and generate a unique URL… The reciever of the communication attempt would have to be logged into the website, or they could install something like a browser extension. Either way, as long as ONE party has an account you can effectively communicate.
Through this method, you could choose voice, text, or anonymous e-mailing.
This could be implemented into several solutions:
1) embedded into advertising
2) embedded into product/service listings
3) internet forums and/or blogs
However, I just don’t see a business model for such a service…
By the way, Om… I see the reason for the drop-off in traffic. If you look at the months, the traffic spike may have been a result of Christmas shopping… I would suspect that purchasing slowly trailed off in the following months. ;-)
If you look at the price of eBay over a longer period you’ll see it was weakest at the same time last year. In the UK May’s a dry time for stocks being the start of the tax year (albeit the December peak was higher), don’t know if the IRS cycle is the same.
eBay absolutely has the right idea in how they are re-purposing Skype in order to gain competitive advantage for their classified properties (Motors, Kijiji, Rent). Moving beyond contact-us forms and phone numbers as response mechanisms is very important.
As relates to the eBay stock price, the question is still whether or not the competitive advantage gained is worth $2.6B minus whatever value the core Skype business had/has.
Nonetheless, classified sites that don’t respond with a similar or better solution will lose traffic fast IMO.
I still think that doing it via software is the wrong solution for reasons I stated above… I will agree that it’s a great idea for classifieds, ads, etc.. While eBay made the right decision, I think they made their decision too quick and picked up the wrong service for the wrong price. Skype was on track to be an AIM-like service, not really a device to help people increase sales, IMO.
I’m not an analyst but my feeling is that Skype deal was over priced and not worth the 2+ Bil. Not sure when eBay would start seeing the ROI.
Regards,
n
Ricky/Robert: the graph above isn’t traffic, and it’s not Skype. it’s eBay’s stock price.
for a rough sense of Skype traffic (which has been going up, more than 100% growth in the past year), see here:
http://tinyurl.com/frl4n
while there’s a legitimate contention that eBay overpaid for Skype traffic / users, a more detailed what-if analysis would probably entail looking at a) where eBay stock price would be if they hadn’t bought Skype, and b) where else could they have spent the money / what else could they have bought, and lastly c) what if they had simply issues a $1-2B dividend to shareholders…
i’d have to say that doing Skype was probably better than doing nothing, and if all they were buying were 30-70M Skype users internationally that were synergistic to eBay and PayPal non-US business, it probably wasn’t such a bad deal.
however, you could argue they might have been more creative with acquisition activity, or that they should simply have returned the excess cash to shareholders in the form of a dividend — other companies with slowing growth (notably Microsoft) have made this call lately. however, i’m guessing had they done so they would have immediately signaled to the market a much lower implied multiple.
a completely different strategy might also be to setup a corporate venture unit, and take $100-250M to invest in eBay-focused startup ventures… guessing that if you invested in 50-100 startups at around $1-2M each, you might end up with 3-4 Skypes in the mix after a few years. certainly with everyone focused on Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft this strategy could be helpful in other ways for eBay. witness Cisco’s successful efforts in spinning out / later acquiring related technology startups. probably a less immediate strategy, but perhaps also less speculative bet than the $2-4B Skype deal.
in summary i’d still grade the Skype deal as a ‘B/B-’ with an option on moving to a ‘B /A’ if the growth turns into the revenue they’re looking for in ’06/’07 and beyond.
Robert, I like your idea. Can this be accomplished by AJAX software. It has to launch a “software app”, but maybe this could be totally web-enabled without installing anything on the person’s PC, very similar to web-based e-mail vs an e-mail client like Outlook. This definitely has some merit.
Surely Google is developing this.
BTW, Skype is pathetic. I refuse to install it on my computer anymore. Everytime I install it, my CPU usage goes nuts. This happens when I just turn on the computer and don’t even use the sorry program over their sorry network.
Remember all that talk/rumors about google showing talk icons in their search results…I think Ebay fell for it and they wanted to be the first one and they just bought big “useless” gizmo. If I really wanted to do some search talk ( talk related to ads ) I would start with just pure simple IM icons tagged to search results. And only if it works I would upgrade it to Voice. Otherwise there is no point. May be Ebay is going to the “secret” the hardway.
Rick…
Yes, such a service could be developed using AJAX and Javascript in general…
Does anyone recall the days of Yahoo Chat which allowed voice communication within the chatbox using only Java? I am on the bandwagon that 85% of people don’t want to download software, and the majority don’t want to do voice communication – even though that should always be an option.
Dave, I thought I was looking at an Alexa traffic image… Oops, heh
Guys,
excellent comments.
I wanted to pose this as a question more than anything else. I think it is interesting that stock initially popped up, maybe because of the Christmas expectations but has been sinking. I did a look at the daily revenues of Skype, which are actually not growing as fast – though the “downloads” are.
i often wonder about the schism in the usage of Skype overseas and in the US, and how this translates into opportunities for eBay in the non-US markets.
thoughts?
“softwareless communication system whereby a user simply has to click a link to establish (an instant) communication attempt.”
Robert, we are in the testing stage for something similar to what you may be describing. If you want an invite email me.
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Ebay dosn’t want another Google in its hands.
The problem. An auction site buy’s an Online Chat/Talk program. What’s the world coming to?
It’s almost like Jason (kottke.org) buying and releasing a Tax program. What’s the point?
What does this trend predict for the future of Vonage shares (or for any voip ipo at this point) when they finally start trading?
dave
well, if you clearly read between the lines, things don’t look for that ipo. vonage has some serious problems going forward. free numbers/ free calling from skype and aol isonly going to create a bother.
Bob Dewey, What is Skype exactly?