Comments on: SF WiFi… & the winner Is…Google http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:54:52 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jesse Kopelman http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46737 Jesse Kopelman Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:03:21 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46737 <p>Dennis, how is HSPA going to offer 4-5 times the bandwidth? Max badwidth for a HSPA radio is < 20 Mbps. Max bandwidth for a 802.11g radio is 54 Mbps. Now neither will reach anywhere close their capabilities in the real world, but it's safe to say a well designed WiFi network has an advantage in raw bandwidth over any 3G technology. As always, actual speeds to the user depend more on implementation than hardware.</p> Dennis, how is HSPA going to offer 4-5 times the bandwidth? Max badwidth for a HSPA radio is < 20 Mbps. Max bandwidth for a 802.11g radio is 54 Mbps. Now neither will reach anywhere close their capabilities in the real world, but it’s safe to say a well designed WiFi network has an advantage in raw bandwidth over any 3G technology. As always, actual speeds to the user depend more on implementation than hardware.

]]> By: Jackson West http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46736 Jackson West Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:12:10 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46736 <p>Google has made noises about open-network support for consumer wifi devices. And I admit their vpn softs are probably pretty secure (as long as you ultimately trust Google). But the point I'm trying to make is that The City of San Francisco is asking certain things of the provider that Google/Earthlink aren't promising to deliver, yet they won the right to negotiate the contract. Seems fishy, but then so much local politics does.</p> Google has made noises about open-network support for consumer wifi devices. And I admit their vpn softs are probably pretty secure (as long as you ultimately trust Google). But the point I’m trying to make is that The City of San Francisco is asking certain things of the provider that Google/Earthlink aren’t promising to deliver, yet they won the right to negotiate the contract. Seems fishy, but then so much local politics does.

]]> By: Dennis Evans http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46735 Dennis Evans Sat, 08 Apr 2006 00:03:08 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46735 <p>The contengency of WiFi and loading of the system assumes bursting [inet up and downloads] not continuous duty telco like seizing the channel. To do Voip reliably [more than a few at a time per node would require a greater bandwidth and or more robustness [low latency and no/lower packet loss]…maybe you could listen to a minute of commercials, per minute used in telephony?</p> <p>While you are hanging a big box on a light pole who knows how many transceivers [slots for] are in the box? 700,2.1, 2.3, 2.45, 2.6-2.7, 5.8?</p> <p>Why I think the CAPEX/OPEX will be 50% higher than budget.</p> <p>Using a 10 year payback as one of the posters did is way too long. Technology will change every 3 years at least for the paying subs…as HSPA will offer 4-5x the bandwidth for $40…2-3 years in.</p> The contengency of WiFi and loading of the system assumes bursting [inet up and downloads] not continuous duty telco like seizing the channel. To do Voip reliably [more than a few at a time per node would require a greater bandwidth and or more robustness [low latency and no/lower packet loss]…maybe you could listen to a minute of commercials, per minute used in telephony?

While you are hanging a big box on a light pole who knows how many transceivers [slots for] are in the box? 700,2.1, 2.3, 2.45, 2.6-2.7, 5.8?

Why I think the CAPEX/OPEX will be 50% higher than budget.

Using a 10 year payback as one of the posters did is way too long. Technology will change every 3 years at least for the paying subs…as HSPA will offer 4-5x the bandwidth for $40…2-3 years in.

]]> By: ObzerV http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46734 ObzerV Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:16:15 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46734 <p>Can this network be somehow connected to MindSpring VOIP or MVNO (Helio)? I can see VOIP happening, but am not sure about Helio.</p> Can this network be somehow connected to MindSpring VOIP or MVNO (Helio)? I can see VOIP happening, but am not sure about Helio.

]]> By: Francis http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46733 Francis Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:08:48 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46733 <p>Niklos asked above "Why is this not happening in Europe?"</p> <p>Quick answer is that it - or something similar - IS happening in Europe. Witness the UK joint venture between PIPEX and Intel - http://www.nice-ventures.com/blog/home.php?/archives/167-WiMAX-in-the-UK.html</p> Niklos asked above “Why is this not happening in Europe?”

Quick answer is that it – or something similar – IS happening in Europe. Witness the UK joint venture between PIPEX and Intel – http://www.nice-ventures.com/blog/home.php?/archives/167-WiMAX-in-the-UK.html

]]> By: Marc M. Fox http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46732 Marc M. Fox Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:18:24 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46732 <p>hmm… I'm wondering about Privacy related stuff… Google tracking everyone… Even location wise… That sounds interesting to me… </p> <p>By the way, a very interesting, related analysis… Take a look:</p> <p><a href="http://www.neomarketing.tv/archives/analyzing_googles_strategic_direction_or_google_vs_mighty_achilles_who_got_killed_with_a_little_arrow_in_the_foot.php" rel="nofollow"> Analyzing Google's strategic direction (or, Google VS. mighty achilles who got killed with a little arrow in the foot) </a></p> hmm… I’m wondering about Privacy related stuff… Google tracking everyone… Even location wise… That sounds interesting to me…

By the way, a very interesting, related analysis… Take a look:

Analyzing Google’s strategic direction (or, Google VS. mighty achilles who got killed with a little arrow in the foot)

]]> By: Wai Yip Tung http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46731 Wai Yip Tung Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:21:30 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46731 <p></p><p>From <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/14274304.htm" rel="nofollow">Mercury News</a> <i>an Earthlink spokesman estimated that the Google-Earthlink plan would cost $6 million to $7 million to install, and $15 million for maintenance, billing and upgrades over the next 10 years.</i></p> <p></p><p>If they got 10,000 subscribers to pay the $20 for 10 years, it would be 10000x20x12x10=24mil. This already cover the cost. The profit from ads could be even bigger.</p>

From Mercury News
an Earthlink spokesman estimated that the Google-Earthlink plan would cost $6 million to $7 million to install, and $15 million for maintenance, billing and upgrades over the next 10 years.

If they got 10,000 subscribers to pay the $20 for 10 years, it would be 10000×20x12×10=24mil. This already cover the cost. The profit from ads could be even bigger.

]]> By: home business information http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46730 home business information Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:54:14 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46730 <p>Citywide WI-FI is fantastic if your don't have to be a slave to any particular location/s. I wish it would be nationwide. in fact, why not worldwide! I like to spend time in the Jamaica. I also like to take my laptop with me but find it difficult to get a decent internet connection appart from going to the local phone company's store, cyber cafe, or some place that only have dial up connection. </p> <p>Run the thing through a satellite if you have to, but please give me my broadband wireless connection worldwide so I can have fun while I work!</p> Citywide WI-FI is fantastic if your don’t have to be a slave to any particular location/s. I wish it would be nationwide.
in fact, why not worldwide! I like to spend time in the Jamaica. I also like to take my laptop with me but find it difficult to get a decent internet connection appart from going to the local phone company’s store, cyber cafe, or some place that only have dial up connection.

Run the thing through a satellite if you have to, but please give me my broadband wireless connection worldwide so I can have fun while I work!

]]> By: Nyquist Capital http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46729 Nyquist Capital Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:33:01 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46729 <p><strong>San Francisco MuniFi Economics</strong></p> <p>San Francisco gave the green light to Google (GOOG) and Earthlink (ELNK) to offer wi-fi throughout the city. You’ll get free 300kb/s ad-supported service from Google, or $20 a month for 1Mb/s ISP service from Earthlink. Total capex is $15MM to i…</p> San Francisco MuniFi Economics

San Francisco gave the green light to Google (GOOG) and Earthlink (ELNK) to offer wi-fi throughout the city. You’ll get free 300kb/s ad-supported service from Google, or $20 a month for 1Mb/s ISP service from Earthlink.
Total capex is $15MM to i…

]]> By: rick http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46728 rick Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:18:53 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46728 <p>I've got to acknowledge a wonderful author and visionary in the voip/wireless area. His name is Frank Ohrtman. I read his book Wifi Handbook in which he laid out the future of wireless technologies. This was over 3 years ago and he has been right on. I can't wait to read his next book on newer technologies such as IMS, Wimax, etc.</p> I’ve got to acknowledge a wonderful author and visionary in the voip/wireless area. His name is Frank Ohrtman. I read his book Wifi Handbook in which he laid out the future of wireless technologies. This was over 3 years ago and he has been right on. I can’t wait to read his next book on newer technologies such as IMS, Wimax, etc.

]]> By: Niklas http://gigaom.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46727 Niklas Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:22:47 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/04/05/san-francisco-wifi-and-the-winner-isgoogle/#comment-46727 <p>Why is this not happening in Europe?</p> Why is this not happening in Europe?

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