Comments on: When It comes to DSL, Speed Sells http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: GigaOM » Bells’ Race against time http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113851 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:09:52 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113851 [...] for example have started offering “more” bandwidth. Higher speed DSL packages were working for BellSouth, and maybe the new parent could do the same. If they don’t then, there are other [...]

]]> By: leon http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113850 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:43:12 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113850 @ Mull, it was a joke ya humourless tike!:P

]]> By: Cloudy Thinking by Ron K. Jeffries » Blog Archive » Symmetric Gigabit Fiber Access http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113849 Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:19:36 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113849 [...] [triggered by Om Malik on DSL Speed] [...]

]]> By: ron k jeffries http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113848 Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:57:37 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113848 Some of the comments indicate muddled economics. [grin].

Price and cost are related. But what a service provider charges is on;y partly influnced by their (one time) capital expense and the (ongoing) operational expense.

The people who think very fast broadband access shoudl be cheap ar ewelcome to start a service provider (telco, cable, other) and evaluat ewhat it cost svs. their desired ROI.

Having said that, the caosyt of VERY fast (dedicated fiber, symetric gigabit Ethernet) is about the same a sthe low cost spread (PON) used by Verizon and others.

The fast-and-cheap access revolution IS coming Witness Korea, Japan, and even China.

http://blog.eronj.com/2006/01/28/symetric-gigabit-fiber-access/

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113847 Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:12:04 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113847 cyncial, no one is saying that the dial up guys are going to transition to the higher priced plans, since they seem to be happy with it.

but if you read the piece, both the CFOs of BellSouth and Verizon are saying that higher speed tiers are adding to their ARPU, which points to the whole argument that the bells can charge premium prices for higher capacity connections. its the same argument as low cost PCs and tricked out Powerbooks. which makes more money.

]]> By: Boot http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113846 Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:34:59 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113846 I understand that Verizon’s 613,000 subs mostly came from the 1.5Mbps and lower speeds for the $14.95 price.

I also see two other matters having an impact. 1) Verizon seeing the first real quarter with Yahoo! as their co-branded portal partner; and 2) apparently they did some deal with AOL late last year that allows AOL to sell Verizon’s DSL to their customer base and add their portal on to the service.

Now that $14.95 AOL fee plus $14.95 DSl fee looks pretty attractive to those who are just dying to keep AOL as their primary email. Begs one to wonder if AOL is cooking up deals with the other Bells.

]]> By: Cynical http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113845 Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:30:11 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113845 Another simplistic analysis without accounting for DSL penetration, size of the market etc. Businesses would be in trouble if they made decision on as flimsy analysis as this. I repeat there are at least 15-20 mm Americans who are using dial and will not pay more than $30 for access + not all the people are using high bandwidth applications as you are. They are using the net for email or chats. You need to get into some call centers and hear DSl sale calls.

]]> By: Om Malik http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113844 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:00:56 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113844 look i think there is a demand for somewhere between 10-25 megabits per second. that is market speaking.

karl to your point, 768 kbps tier, good numbers for VZ, but money is being made at the upper end. still that speed band compares favorably to the 384 kbps connections being pushed for same $15.

i think there is a good balance somewhere – where profits and bandwidth speeds come in sync. i am not suggesting the french market style madness, but a good connection 10 mbps is worth $60 to me evey month.

]]> By: Mark Evans http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113843 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:31:49 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113843 check out sasktel’s plans to offer 40Mbps to 50Mbps service by the end of this year in 10 major communities. that’s the future.

]]> By: zack http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113842 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:49:17 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113842 The prices for internet access in France today just don’t make economic sense in my opinion.
The ultra liberalist approach of the regulatory board in France is getting out of hand.
Those companies that are selling 24 Megs of internet access + 50 channels of television + unlimited phone service for 30 euros(36$US) a month are just trying to boost their customer base in order to put their company on the market at a better price.
I agree that speed does boost ARPU but so do the added features such as antivirus, antispan and parental control.

]]> By: pcubed http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113841 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:09:38 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113841 Seems to me that raw speed is becoming less important to many uses (telephony specifically) than consitent low latency.

]]> By: malapraxis http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113840 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:54:01 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113840 I thought the whole tiered service was based on the expectation of providing greater speeds to the end user. Can optimal speed be guaranteed if the network must remain nuetral to every bandwidth hogging porn site in America hawking their wares. Why not charge the “excess” content providers a bit more to ride in the upper tier, rather than alternatively whacking the consumer for the need for speed.

]]> By: Andrew Schmitt http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113839 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:12:48 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113839 Hey Om, perhaps you should read your previous post….

http://gigaom.com/2005/12/20/need-for-speed/

People shouldn’t be surprised by the coming deflationary boom in bandwidth.

http://www.nyquistcapital.com/2005/12/21/more-bandwidth-industrial-accident/

]]> By: Karl http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113838 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:57:16 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113838 Verizons surge in subscriber numbers came from their $15 768kbps tier, so technically, slow sells.

]]> By: SJGMoney http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113837 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:36:46 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113837 While I don’t doubt they will find SOME demand and profits at that $75/25mbps level, I think they will find LOTS of demand at the $40 sweet spot of FIOS.

I actually think Verizon finally gets it with this relatively “low” pricing structure, just as they finally seem to have gotten it by introducing the barebones $14.95 DSL service to the masses. It’s what they should have done ages ago, start off cheap, and then try to upgrade service/increase pricing. Anybody remember their first DSL pricing structure for less than 1 mb connections, painful!!!

]]> By: Mull http://gigaom.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113836 Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:40:07 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2006/01/27/when-it-comes-to-dsl-speed-sells/#comment-113836 To me it is amazing that people try to compare prices of products in countries with different structures. In France the price may be low but what is their tax rate? Is the govt. providing the service or paying the providers? Also, health benefits don’t need to be provided by the company, so of course they can charge different prices.

Compare apples to apples. There can be many reasons why some products are cheaper in countries, but a lot of times, it has nothing to do with the actual product.

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