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		<title>By: Silos are for grain, not VoIP - edafe.org</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Silos are for grain, not VoIP - edafe.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] biggest show on the Internet, is being undermined by some of the largest players in the industry.gigaom.com   This entry was written by edafe, posted on 20/04/2006, filed under articles, computing, voip and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] biggest show on the Internet, is being undermined by some of the largest players in the industry.gigaom.com   This entry was written by edafe, posted on 20/04/2006, filed under articles, computing, voip and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: edafe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113219</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;With Om&#039;s article in mind, I hope that this page will be useful to those considering VoIP for the first time:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edafe.org/voip/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;edafe.org/voip/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards,
Edafe&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Om&#8217;s article in mind, I hope that this page will be useful to those considering VoIP for the first time:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edafe.org/voip/index.html" rel="nofollow">edafe.org/voip/</a></p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Edafe</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Geddes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Geddes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Call me contrarian, but...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Assume Jeff&#039;s purple minutes are the way forward.  My violet and your indigo innovations &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be incompatible.  We grope around for what unrealised innovations IP enables that are actually valued by users.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The lowest-common-denominator duplex voice is competing against a PSTN that increasingly offers such features at either flat rates or rates too low to care about.  VoIP interop is a badly-framed non-problem.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me contrarian, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Assume Jeff&#8217;s purple minutes are the way forward.  My violet and your indigo innovations <em>should</em> be incompatible.  We grope around for what unrealised innovations IP enables that are actually valued by users.</p>
<p>The lowest-common-denominator duplex voice is competing against a PSTN that increasingly offers such features at either flat rates or rates too low to care about.  VoIP interop is a badly-framed non-problem.</p>
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		<title>By: chris holland</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Jesse: both friendster and myspace are web-based. i&#039;m not sure you can draw meaningful analogies between web-based communities and communications platform.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare VoIP to SMTP e-mail. Back in the early AOL and Compuserve days, you had those independent online communities, with proprietary messaging platforms. Internet standards eventually caught-on, and people finally learned about domain names, and sending messages to other people through a foo@bar.com address. AOL and Compuserve adapted. Their members could be reached with their own @ address.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The exact same thing can be accomplished in the VoIP world, through SIP and &quot;@&quot; SIP addresses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;E-mail is just one of many available applications of the Internet Protocol, for Asynchronous Communications. Real-Time Communications ought to be seen similarly as just another application powered by the Internet Protocol, that &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; have its own user interface paradigms, that &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; be more efficient than past user interface paradigms we humans have gotten accustomed to with our Telco-sanctioned phones, and the almighty &quot;phone number&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;VoIP users today stand to lose as much benefits from not being able to seamlessly call users from disparate providers, as if e-mail users were only given a &quot;username&quot; and messages could only be sent within the confines of a given ISP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S.: i have several typos in my earlier post, the first line should say &quot;STOP relying on PSTN-style numbers&quot; instead of &quot;start relying on PSTN-style numbers&quot;&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse: both friendster and myspace are web-based. i&#8217;m not sure you can draw meaningful analogies between web-based communities and communications platform.</p>
<p>Compare VoIP to SMTP e-mail. Back in the early AOL and Compuserve days, you had those independent online communities, with proprietary messaging platforms. Internet standards eventually caught-on, and people finally learned about domain names, and sending messages to other people through a <a href="mailto:foo@bar.com">foo@bar.com</a> address. AOL and Compuserve adapted. Their members could be reached with their own @ address.</p>
<p>The exact same thing can be accomplished in the VoIP world, through SIP and &#8220;@&#8221; SIP addresses.</p>
<p>E-mail is just one of many available applications of the Internet Protocol, for Asynchronous Communications. Real-Time Communications ought to be seen similarly as just another application powered by the Internet Protocol, that <em>can</em> have its own user interface paradigms, that <em>can</em> be more efficient than past user interface paradigms we humans have gotten accustomed to with our Telco-sanctioned phones, and the almighty &#8220;phone number&#8221;.</p>
<p>VoIP users today stand to lose as much benefits from not being able to seamlessly call users from disparate providers, as if e-mail users were only given a &#8220;username&#8221; and messages could only be sent within the confines of a given ISP.</p>
<p>P.S.: i have several typos in my earlier post, the first line should say &#8220;STOP relying on PSTN-style numbers&#8221; instead of &#8220;start relying on PSTN-style numbers&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Kopelman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I feel like there is a bit of a double standard here. Why aren&#039;t Friendster and MySpace being called to task for not being compatible with each other? Is it a matter of marketing? What if Skype started saying it was a social network instead of a communications tool? Another incongrous thing; Om, where is your cirticism of Apple for not releasing OS X for non-Apple computers? If this is a good idea for Apple, why is it bad for &quot;phone&quot; makers?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S. I&#039;m not saying that the Skype way is the better way (in fact, I think it is not), just asking why it is only a bad thing in telecom and not in other things.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like there is a bit of a double standard here. Why aren&#8217;t Friendster and MySpace being called to task for not being compatible with each other? Is it a matter of marketing? What if Skype started saying it was a social network instead of a communications tool? Another incongrous thing; Om, where is your cirticism of Apple for not releasing OS X for non-Apple computers? If this is a good idea for Apple, why is it bad for &#8220;phone&#8221; makers?</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;m not saying that the Skype way is the better way (in fact, I think it is not), just asking why it is only a bad thing in telecom and not in other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Computerworld Blogs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Computerworld Blogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Symantec fesses up (and Seuss turns in grave)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In today&#039;s IT Blogwatch, we look at doing the rounds with Symantec Rootkit. Not to mention the scientists in Taiwan who claim to have bred green, glow-in-the-dark pigs -- next stop: green eggs... [You&#039;re fired - Ed-I-am.]
After all the hoohah over So...&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Symantec fesses up (and Seuss turns in grave)</strong></p>
<p>In today&#8217;s IT Blogwatch, we look at doing the rounds with Symantec Rootkit. Not to mention the scientists in Taiwan who claim to have bred green, glow-in-the-dark pigs &#8212; next stop: green eggs&#8230; [You're fired - Ed-I-am.]<br />
After all the hoohah over So&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MrBlog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrBlog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Yep. I call it &quot;Real VoIP&quot; and we&#039;re going to start making in a lynchpin of our messaging.  There is a crude start here: http://www.phonegnome.com/realvoip.html&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. I call it &#8220;Real VoIP&#8221; and we&#8217;re going to start making in a lynchpin of our messaging.  There is a crude start here: <a href="http://www.phonegnome.com/realvoip.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonegnome.com/realvoip.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: chris holland</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris holland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;we need to start relying on PSTN-style numbers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;we need smarter devices that allow us to think about the &lt;em&gt;people&lt;/em&gt; we&#039;re attempting to get in touch with, versus the means by which we&#039;re trying to reach them. Get rid of those silly numbered keypads.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Give me a scroll-wheel. A display with faces and people&#039;s names as i scroll. With the option to speak names for the visually impaired.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me forget about somebody&#039;s number. &lt;a href=&quot;http://chrisholland.blogspot.com/2004/10/voip-numbers-are-so-1849.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Numbers are so 1849&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Once my device allows me to forget about numbers, i don&#039;t have to think about SIP addresses either. But what we&#039;re storing are indeed SIP addresses, on-top of PSTN numbers for a given person. Once i have a full-blown SIP address (sip:foo@bar.com) for somebody, i don&#039;t need to rely on kludgy numbering rules for routing calls.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do i get someone&#039;s &quot;contact info&quot; in the first place, if they&#039;re not just &quot;giving me&quot; their phone number? vCard. hCard. IR. Bluetooth. IP. e-mail. web. vCard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Devices need to get smarter:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;they need to interoperate to facilitate the exchange of contact information.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;they need to support multiple routing options to save end-users money.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we need to start relying on PSTN-style numbers.</p>
<p>we need smarter devices that allow us to think about the <em>people</em> we&#8217;re attempting to get in touch with, versus the means by which we&#8217;re trying to reach them. Get rid of those silly numbered keypads.</p>
<p>Give me a scroll-wheel. A display with faces and people&#8217;s names as i scroll. With the option to speak names for the visually impaired.</p>
<p>Let me forget about somebody&#8217;s number. <a href="http://chrisholland.blogspot.com/2004/10/voip-numbers-are-so-1849.html" rel="nofollow">Numbers are so 1849</a>.</p>
<p>Once my device allows me to forget about numbers, i don&#8217;t have to think about SIP addresses either. But what we&#8217;re storing are indeed SIP addresses, on-top of PSTN numbers for a given person. Once i have a full-blown SIP address (sip:foo@bar.com) for somebody, i don&#8217;t need to rely on kludgy numbering rules for routing calls.</p>
<p>How do i get someone&#8217;s &#8220;contact info&#8221; in the first place, if they&#8217;re not just &#8220;giving me&#8221; their phone number? vCard. hCard. IR. Bluetooth. IP. e-mail. web. vCard.</p>
<p>Devices need to get smarter:</p>
<ul>
<li>they need to interoperate to facilitate the exchange of contact information.</li>
<li>they need to support multiple routing options to save end-users money.</li>
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		<title>By: voipblog.it - Telefonia via Internet, Offerte, Software, Telefoni, Notizie, Commenti&#8230; &#187; Libertà di scelta</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[voipblog.it - Telefonia via Internet, Offerte, Software, Telefoni, Notizie, Commenti&#8230; &#187; Libertà di scelta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Erik Lagerway (COO e fondatore della nota software house X-Ten) scrive ospite di Om Malik riguardo all&#8217;attuale tendenza degli operatori VoIP (software e non) di rinchiudere i propri utenti all&#8217;interno della loro rete, legandoli ad apparecchi in grado di funzionare esclusivamente con il loro servizio e senza facilitare chiamate tra operatori diversi, anche se la tecnologia utilizzata è quasi sempre la stessa. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Erik Lagerway (COO e fondatore della nota software house X-Ten) scrive ospite di Om Malik riguardo all&#8217;attuale tendenza degli operatori VoIP (software e non) di rinchiudere i propri utenti all&#8217;interno della loro rete, legandoli ad apparecchi in grado di funzionare esclusivamente con il loro servizio e senza facilitare chiamate tra operatori diversi, anche se la tecnologia utilizzata è quasi sempre la stessa. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: voipblog.it - Telefonia via Internet, Offerte, Software, Telefoni, Notizie, Commenti&#8230; &#187; Libertà di scelta</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[voipblog.it - Telefonia via Internet, Offerte, Software, Telefoni, Notizie, Commenti&#8230; &#187; Libertà di scelta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] Erik Lagerway (COO e fondatore della nota software house X-Ten) scrive ospite di Om Malik riguardo all&#8217;attuale tendenza degli operatori VoIP (software e non) di rinchiudere i propri utenti all&#8217;interno della loro rete, legandoli ad apparecchi in grado di funzionare esclusivamente con il loro servizio e senza facilitare chiamate tra operatori diversi, anche se la tecnologia utilizzata è quasi sempre la stessa. Ci hanno proposto decine e decine di telefoni, terminali wi-fi, ma pare che si siano tutti dimenticati dell&#8217;aspetto più interessante della tecnologia VoIP: la possibilità di funzionare con dispositivi diversi. [...]&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Erik Lagerway (COO e fondatore della nota software house X-Ten) scrive ospite di Om Malik riguardo all&#8217;attuale tendenza degli operatori VoIP (software e non) di rinchiudere i propri utenti all&#8217;interno della loro rete, legandoli ad apparecchi in grado di funzionare esclusivamente con il loro servizio e senza facilitare chiamate tra operatori diversi, anche se la tecnologia utilizzata è quasi sempre la stessa. Ci hanno proposto decine e decine di telefoni, terminali wi-fi, ma pare che si siano tutti dimenticati dell&#8217;aspetto più interessante della tecnologia VoIP: la possibilità di funzionare con dispositivi diversi. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Google and Gizmo are winners.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://googletalk.blogspot.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These guys aren&#039;t successful for being brainless.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google and Gizmo are winners.</p>
<p><a href="http://googletalk.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://googletalk.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>These guys aren&#8217;t successful for being brainless.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Stewart</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Stewart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I couldn&#039;t agree more. Brian McConnell just penned a long post on VoIP Peering over on our new ETel site (http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2006/01/voip&lt;em&gt;peering&lt;/em&gt;breaking&lt;em&gt;out&lt;/em&gt;of_w.html), noting that VoIP peering is easy to implement with services that support SIP or IAX2 protocols. Let&#039;s hope this does pick up steam and some organization or federation emerges to support VoIP peering and help keep us from going back down this road of silos..&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Brian McConnell just penned a long post on VoIP Peering over on our new ETel site (<a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2006/01/voip" rel="nofollow">http://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2006/01/voip</a><em>peering</em>breaking<em>out</em>of_w.html), noting that VoIP peering is easy to implement with services that support SIP or IAX2 protocols. Let&#8217;s hope this does pick up steam and some organization or federation emerges to support VoIP peering and help keep us from going back down this road of silos..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2006/01/12/silos-are-for-grain-not-voip/#comment-113208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Amen brother. Even the IM clients with voice and video capabilities should get in on this. i Use iChat because I have a Mac and its the easiest. This should be able to call Skype and the rest of the others. I am all for the open comm federation, sign me up!&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother. Even the IM clients with voice and video capabilities should get in on this. i Use iChat because I have a Mac and its the easiest. This should be able to call Skype and the rest of the others. I am all for the open comm federation, sign me up!</p>
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