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	<title>Comments on: Audible&#8217;s unPodcast effort?</title>
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		<title>By: eqvpzxmlo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33935</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mashable* &#187; SONR is a Terrible, Terrible Idea That Simply Won&#8217;t Work</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33933</link>
		<dc:creator>Mashable* &#187; SONR is a Terrible, Terrible Idea That Simply Won&#8217;t Work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Well, the second I heard the words &#8220;podcast tracking&#8221;, I was interested. Those who have been following this blog for a while (yep, all three of you!) will know that podcast tracking is a thorny problem, largely because the MP3 format isn&#8217;t suited to tracking. Services like Fruitcast and Podtrac can track downloads, but nothing more. Only Audible has a tracking service that actually delivers accurate statistics, but it gets around the issue by using a format that isn&#8217;t MP3. In fact, back in November 2005 Dave Winer, Mitch Ratcliffe, Greg Yardley, Jeff Jarvis, Om Malik, Doc Searls and a whole load of other smart folks had a fascinating debate on podcast metrics and Audible&#8217;s efforts in this space. It&#8217;s a well-understood topic, and one that has been discussed at length. So here&#8217;s my beef: SONR will be virtually useless when it comes to the podcast tracking issue. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, the second I heard the words &#8220;podcast tracking&#8221;, I was interested. Those who have been following this blog for a while (yep, all three of you!) will know that podcast tracking is a thorny problem, largely because the MP3 format isn&#8217;t suited to tracking. Services like Fruitcast and Podtrac can track downloads, but nothing more. Only Audible has a tracking service that actually delivers accurate statistics, but it gets around the issue by using a format that isn&#8217;t MP3. In fact, back in November 2005 Dave Winer, Mitch Ratcliffe, Greg Yardley, Jeff Jarvis, Om Malik, Doc Searls and a whole load of other smart folks had a fascinating debate on podcast metrics and Audible&#8217;s efforts in this space. It&#8217;s a well-understood topic, and one that has been discussed at length. So here&#8217;s my beef: SONR will be virtually useless when it comes to the podcast tracking issue. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Handelaar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33932</link>
		<dc:creator>John Handelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hasten to add that &quot;Mitch has told me...&quot; means &quot;Mitch has told me and anyone else listening through the medium of public posts and comments&quot;, just in case I&#039;d given the idea that we were talking directly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hasten to add that &#8220;Mitch has told me&#8230;&#8221; means &#8220;Mitch has told me and anyone else listening through the medium of public posts and comments&#8221;, just in case I&#8217;d given the idea that we were talking directly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John Handelaar</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33931</link>
		<dc:creator>John Handelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll post this here since Mitch&#039;s post a) has a comment form which will let me spend time filling it out but b) refuses to accept comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two things arise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One is that as things stand, and according to Audible.com itself, I can&#039;t use Audible material on any device (which didn&#039;t come with the stuff preloaded in firmware like, say, my old Jornada PDA) without downloading additional software.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I were producing audio for an audience, I&#039;d be hoping - nay, &lt;em&gt;assuming&lt;/em&gt; - that they&#039;d sorted this out before bothering me with &#039;Wordcasts&#039;.  &#039;Cos otherwise it fails my trusty acid test of &#039;would I do this?&#039;.  No, I wouldn&#039;t, any more than I&#039;d download a new browser to look at some guy&#039;s website.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, Mitch has told me - several times now - that the AudibleReady format &quot;has been published since last year&quot;.  Yet his only link is to some crufty press release claiming its immediate availability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as I&#039;m concerned, it ain&#039;t published until I can read it.  Where is it?  Audible.com has no link... not even on the site map.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m happy to be told where it is, just as I&#039;d be quite happy enough to be assured that listeners would under no circumstances have to download some plugin or app to listen to my audio.  Both may be true.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m still pissed off about his dumbass comment form though.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll post this here since Mitch&#8217;s post a) has a comment form which will let me spend time filling it out but b) refuses to accept comments.</p>

<p>Two things arise.</p>

<p>One is that as things stand, and according to Audible.com itself, I can&#8217;t use Audible material on any device (which didn&#8217;t come with the stuff preloaded in firmware like, say, my old Jornada PDA) without downloading additional software.</p>

<p>If I were producing audio for an audience, I&#8217;d be hoping &#8211; nay, <em>assuming</em> &#8211; that they&#8217;d sorted this out before bothering me with &#8216;Wordcasts&#8217;.  &#8216;Cos otherwise it fails my trusty acid test of &#8216;would I do this?&#8217;.  No, I wouldn&#8217;t, any more than I&#8217;d download a new browser to look at some guy&#8217;s website.</p>

<p>Secondly, Mitch has told me &#8211; several times now &#8211; that the AudibleReady format &#8220;has been published since last year&#8221;.  Yet his only link is to some crufty press release claiming its immediate availability.</p>

<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it ain&#8217;t published until I can read it.  Where is it?  Audible.com has no link&#8230; not even on the site map.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m happy to be told where it is, just as I&#8217;d be quite happy enough to be assured that listeners would under no circumstances have to download some plugin or app to listen to my audio.  Both may be true.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m still pissed off about his dumbass comment form though.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Vidlogs</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33929</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidlogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Audible announced a new podcast service last week, and Audible consultant Mitch Ratcliffe argues that podcast fees of 3 cents per download are actually affordable when the web hosting and bandwidth costs are included. Many prominent bloggers disagree, and the metrics Radcliffe uses to represent the hosting industry in the pricing comparison - $9.95 for 4 gigabytes of downloads - have already been superseded by cheaper plans with beefier specs. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Micro Persuasion</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33897</link>
		<dc:creator>Micro Persuasion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Audible&#039;s Black Friday: A Case Study in PR vs. BR&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At Jeff Jarvis&#039; suggestion, in this post I am going to take a closer look into the recent blogosphere blow-up over Audible&#039;s podcasting efforts. This is a case study that perhaps others can learn from. I am not here&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Audible&#8217;s Black Friday: A Case Study in PR vs. BR</strong></p>

<p>At Jeff Jarvis&#8217; suggestion, in this post I am going to take a closer look into the recent blogosphere blow-up over Audible&#8217;s podcasting efforts. This is a case study that perhaps others can learn from. I am not here</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fruitcast Blog &#187; Portable Media Expo Recap</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33869</link>
		<dc:creator>Fruitcast Blog &#187; Portable Media Expo Recap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] * Scripting News: Audible announces&#8230; * CrunchNotes: Audible’s Clusterfudge * BuzzMachine: Getting personal * Om Malik: Audible’s unPodcast effort? [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] * Scripting News: Audible announces&#8230; * CrunchNotes: Audible’s Clusterfudge * BuzzMachine: Getting personal * Om Malik: Audible’s unPodcast effort? [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33868</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 05:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm.. I think I will learn more towards Mitch&#039;s argument (though it might sound like he&#039;s trying to do damage control).. as he has vehemently defended most of the things that&#039;s being thrown at him convincingly.. With the rest not providing substantive facts but providing firepower in the form of Feel..and personal bias.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. I think I will learn more towards Mitch&#8217;s argument (though it might sound like he&#8217;s trying to do damage control).. as he has vehemently defended most of the things that&#8217;s being thrown at him convincingly.. With the rest not providing substantive facts but providing firepower in the form of Feel..and personal bias.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: mathewingram.com/work</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33867</link>
		<dc:creator>mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This debate is almost Audible&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;The audio service known as Audible.com, which has been around for a number of years and &#8212; to be fair &#8212; was way out in front of the downloadable audio game, set off a bit of a firestorm when it announced a service that would allow podcaster...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This debate is almost Audible</strong></p>

<pre><code>The audio service known as Audible.com, which has been around for a number of years and &amp;#8212; to be fair &amp;#8212; was way out in front of the downloadable audio game, set off a bit of a firestorm when it announced a service that would allow podcaster...
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		<title>By: Mitch Ratcliffe</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33861</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Ratcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, Om, if I can convince Audible to get &quot;more open,&quot; it is a good thing?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem with a system of tracking, though, is that you have to have a collection point where data is audited. That&#039;s primarily what the idea of service, like Wordcast, is intended to address—then there is the adjunct ability to place ads in programs dynamically, which is designed into this, too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mitch&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Om, if I can convince Audible to get &#8220;more open,&#8221; it is a good thing?</p>

<p>The problem with a system of tracking, though, is that you have to have a collection point where data is audited. That&#8217;s primarily what the idea of service, like Wordcast, is intended to address—then there is the adjunct ability to place ads in programs dynamically, which is designed into this, too.</p>

<p>Mitch</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mashable* &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If MP3 Won&#8217;t Do, What Next For Podcasting? - Internet Entrepreneur Pete Cashmore on Web 2.0 and the Future of the Internet</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33831</link>
		<dc:creator>Mashable* &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If MP3 Won&#8217;t Do, What Next For Podcasting? - Internet Entrepreneur Pete Cashmore on Web 2.0 and the Future of the Internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] In case you&#8217;ve been sleeping in a ditch this weekend, a quick catch-up: Dave Winer, Doc Searls, Om Malik, and Jeff Jarvis have all responded to the announcement that Audible is releasing a new podcasting service called Wordcast, which can - among other things - give you accurate stats on who is listening to your podcast. Mitch Ratcliffe has been defending the Audible format, and explaining its benefits over MP3. The debate has become pretty heated, and lots of new issues have arisen. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In case you&#8217;ve been sleeping in a ditch this weekend, a quick catch-up: Dave Winer, Doc Searls, Om Malik, and Jeff Jarvis have all responded to the announcement that Audible is releasing a new podcasting service called Wordcast, which can &#8211; among other things &#8211; give you accurate stats on who is listening to your podcast. Mitch Ratcliffe has been defending the Audible format, and explaining its benefits over MP3. The debate has become pretty heated, and lots of new issues have arisen. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33815</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bill, you bring up good points. i guess, if not mp3 then something which is more open. i agree - we need to develop a more open system of tracking and all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill, you bring up good points. i guess, if not mp3 then something which is more open. i agree &#8211; we need to develop a more open system of tracking and all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33809</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Om, you say &quot;the first step should have been putting .aa in open source and secondly making sure the technology they have developed works with mp3 formatted podcasts.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How are they going to make their technology work with MP3 when than format can&#039;t support state and callbacks?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then you say &quot;And as if trying to thumb the noses of podcasters, the company has come up with their own moniker. Wordcast.&quot; Oddly enough, you recommend a pseudo-alternative, &quot;Fruitcast&quot;, without disparaging their choice of names.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can understand the reluctance to support non-MP3 efforts, but it seems clear that MP3 can&#039;t handle the operations Audible proposes. The alternatives are to develop an open-source format that will handle tracking (will take a long time) or simply say you don&#039;t need what the Audible system provides. But there&#039;s no need to make the company look evil.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om, you say &#8220;the first step should have been putting .aa in open source and secondly making sure the technology they have developed works with mp3 formatted podcasts.&#8221;</p>

<p>How are they going to make their technology work with MP3 when than format can&#8217;t support state and callbacks?</p>

<p>Then you say &#8220;And as if trying to thumb the noses of podcasters, the company has come up with their own moniker. Wordcast.&#8221; Oddly enough, you recommend a pseudo-alternative, &#8220;Fruitcast&#8221;, without disparaging their choice of names.</p>

<p>I can understand the reluctance to support non-MP3 efforts, but it seems clear that MP3 can&#8217;t handle the operations Audible proposes. The alternatives are to develop an open-source format that will handle tracking (will take a long time) or simply say you don&#8217;t need what the Audible system provides. But there&#8217;s no need to make the company look evil.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Consumer Electronics Stock Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33799</link>
		<dc:creator>The Consumer Electronics Stock Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Consumer Electronics Stocks Quick Links (DELL, AAPL, MSFT, RIMM, ADBL, PLAY)
DELL and APPL : Dell, seeking sales growth, embraces style, luxury  Dell Inc. is trying to spice up its image and turn around lagging sales gro...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumer Electronics Stocks Quick Links (DELL, AAPL, MSFT, RIMM, ADBL, PLAY)
DELL and APPL : Dell, seeking sales growth, embraces style, luxury  Dell Inc. is trying to spice up its image and turn around lagging sales gro&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: web-zweinull &#187; Audible.com steigt in Podcast-Vermarkung ein (Update)</title>
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		<dc:creator>web-zweinull &#187; Audible.com steigt in Podcast-Vermarkung ein (Update)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Update: Wie es scheint, verwendet Audible für seine &#8220;Wordcasts&#8221; ein eigenes Dateiformat Namens .aa. Darüber schreibt zumindest Om Malik in einem recht ausführlichen Posting. Die Antwort folgte sogleich durch Mitch Ratcliffe, den Blog-Berater von Audible. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: Wie es scheint, verwendet Audible für seine &#8220;Wordcasts&#8221; ein eigenes Dateiformat Namens .aa. Darüber schreibt zumindest Om Malik in einem recht ausführlichen Posting. Die Antwort folgte sogleich durch Mitch Ratcliffe, den Blog-Berater von Audible. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CrunchNotes &#187; Audible&#8217;s Clusterfuck</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/11/13/audibles-unpodcast-effort/#comment-33761</link>
		<dc:creator>CrunchNotes &#187; Audible&#8217;s Clusterfuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] But wow, did they ever screw up the follow up to the announcement. Instead of embracing the bloggers that would normally talk about this, Mitch Ratcliffe (an Audible consultant) went on an unmitigated, unprovoked character assasination romp against Dave Winer (&#8221;he&#8217;s willing to steal&#8221;), Om Malik and others. This sure is an interesting way to engage the sneezers. As Om puts it, Mitch &#8220;goes after the dissenters with a verbal baseball bat&#8221;. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But wow, did they ever screw up the follow up to the announcement. Instead of embracing the bloggers that would normally talk about this, Mitch Ratcliffe (an Audible consultant) went on an unmitigated, unprovoked character assasination romp against Dave Winer (&#8221;he&#8217;s willing to steal&#8221;), Om Malik and others. This sure is an interesting way to engage the sneezers. As Om puts it, Mitch &#8220;goes after the dissenters with a verbal baseball bat&#8221;. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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