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		<title>By: Hungfun</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30658</link>
		<dc:creator>Hungfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this blimp technology I've heard about is there really going to be old style airships delivering serious banwith to rule  areas like mine in upstate new York and if so how long do you think it will take ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this blimp technology I&#8217;ve heard about is there really going to be old style airships delivering serious banwith to rule  areas like mine in upstate new York and if so how long do you think it will take ?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Nicholls</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30645</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Nicholls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Bandwidth Mergers

There may be another way to look at this. Google's dark fibre
acquisition gives a hint.

Specifically, I see some separate networks, some physically separate
like Google, some technically separate by being encapsulated in the
current nets (note plural).

Your comment about the deficiencies of Internet 1.0 are dead on, but
certainly not the fault of the originators in 1968 and 197x. Our use is
outgrowing the design of the original net, with somewhat predictable
results. QoS, priorities, filtering, etc. are all adaptive attempts to
remedy these limitations.

The high speed Internet2 used by science and government is slightly
different than 1.0, but more specifically, limited in who connects for
what currently. It will probably remain that way.

What will be the result? We will eventually realize that not only does
one size not fit all, it *cannot* fit all. We are in the process of
building multiple nets that will interconnect at well defined points,
not everywhere, with well defined protocols and limits. It must be that
way to serve the separate interests.

Yet it will not result in Balkanization, but speciation. Nets will be
optimized for classes of traffic and classes of applications. They will
be invisible but there if you need them, efficient for specific
purposes.

Overall, a network of nets will be more robust and more efficient than
one master net that has to either warp itself or warp traffic to work.
One net cannot work well with all these new demands, therefore we are
seeing sprouts, seedlings of a new growth that will deliver the MultiNet
(C).

Bill Nicholls
http://www.billswrite.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Bandwidth Mergers</p>
<p>There may be another way to look at this. Google&#8217;s dark fibre<br />
acquisition gives a hint.</p>
<p>Specifically, I see some separate networks, some physically separate<br />
like Google, some technically separate by being encapsulated in the<br />
current nets (note plural).</p>
<p>Your comment about the deficiencies of Internet 1.0 are dead on, but<br />
certainly not the fault of the originators in 1968 and 197x. Our use is<br />
outgrowing the design of the original net, with somewhat predictable<br />
results. QoS, priorities, filtering, etc. are all adaptive attempts to<br />
remedy these limitations.</p>
<p>The high speed Internet2 used by science and government is slightly<br />
different than 1.0, but more specifically, limited in who connects for<br />
what currently. It will probably remain that way.</p>
<p>What will be the result? We will eventually realize that not only does<br />
one size not fit all, it *cannot* fit all. We are in the process of<br />
building multiple nets that will interconnect at well defined points,<br />
not everywhere, with well defined protocols and limits. It must be that<br />
way to serve the separate interests.</p>
<p>Yet it will not result in Balkanization, but speciation. Nets will be<br />
optimized for classes of traffic and classes of applications. They will<br />
be invisible but there if you need them, efficient for specific<br />
purposes.</p>
<p>Overall, a network of nets will be more robust and more efficient than<br />
one master net that has to either warp itself or warp traffic to work.<br />
One net cannot work well with all these new demands, therefore we are<br />
seeing sprouts, seedlings of a new growth that will deliver the MultiNet<br />
(C).</p>
<p>Bill Nicholls<br />
 (<a href="http://www.billswrite.com" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Kopelman</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Kopelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, Ed Whitacre is not so much generically crazy as meglomaniacal. The Internet is the worst possible thing he can imagine, because it involves cooperation for the common good. Ed wants control and restriction, with his company being the gatekeeper. His concern is about squeezing the maximum profit from things he can envision and control, not facilitating new services and having to live with ancilary revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, Ed Whitacre is not so much generically crazy as meglomaniacal. The Internet is the worst possible thing he can imagine, because it involves cooperation for the common good. Ed wants control and restriction, with his company being the gatekeeper. His concern is about squeezing the maximum profit from things he can envision and control, not facilitating new services and having to live with ancilary revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: flnerd</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30639</link>
		<dc:creator>flnerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is missing last-mile diversity. As long as a broad band connection is as expensive and as slow as it is now, there will be no traffic to feed this backbone. Right now, it doesn't look like the US will ever catch up to more modern countries like China and Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is missing last-mile diversity. As long as a broad band connection is as expensive and as slow as it is now, there will be no traffic to feed this backbone. Right now, it doesn&#8217;t look like the US will ever catch up to more modern countries like China and Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymer Venture Capital&#8217;s China Hotpot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iTunes video sales top 1 million downloads in 20 days&#8230;see content counts, not free access!!</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30636</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymer Venture Capital&#8217;s China Hotpot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; iTunes video sales top 1 million downloads in 20 days&#8230;see content counts, not free access!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a hint&#8230;look at the broadband market in the US&#8230;its consolidating&#8230;fast! Om Malik from Business 2.0 has a lot of intelligent things to say about this, click here to read more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here is a hint&#8230;look at the broadband market in the US&#8230;its consolidating&#8230;fast! Om Malik from Business 2.0 has a lot of intelligent things to say about this, click here to read more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30633</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should make for another interesting round of peering negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should make for another interesting round of peering negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30630</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis.  I always wondered how that market was shaking up with all the new build-out.  Thanks Om.

Good question by Jacob on the last mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis.  I always wondered how that market was shaking up with all the new build-out.  Thanks Om.</p>
<p>Good question by Jacob on the last mile.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Varghese</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Varghese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Om,
Is the SBC CEO crazy or does he have a legit point?


SBC CEO Edward Whitacre
"The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! (YHOO ) or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts! "


http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h*IUQu7KtOwgA/magazine/content/05_45/b3958092.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,<br />
Is the SBC CEO crazy or does he have a legit point?</p>
<p>SBC CEO Edward Whitacre<br />
&#8220;The Internet can&#8217;t be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! (YHOO ) or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts! &#8221;</p>
<p> (<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/@@n34h" rel="nofollow">link</a>) *IUQu7KtOwgA/magazine/content/05_45/b3958092.htm</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Sharp</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/10/31/are-bandwidth-mergers-enough/#comment-30626</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I can't believe how cheap telecoms are getting these days.  They have to be selling their assets at pennies on the dollar compared to what they've invested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I can&#8217;t believe how cheap telecoms are getting these days.  They have to be selling their assets at pennies on the dollar compared to what they&#8217;ve invested.</p>
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