Comments on: Web 2.0, Community & the Commerce Conundrum http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/ Tracking the Internet Evolution Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:06:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Good neighbors « The gaping silence http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-682234 Good neighbors « The gaping silence Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:51:46 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-682234 <p>[...] Om Malik has been having similar thoughts: if we tag, bookmark or share, and help del.icio.us or Technorati or Yahoo become better commercial entities, aren’t we seemingly commoditizing our most valuable asset - time. We become the outsourced workforce, the collective, though it is still unclear what is the pay-off. While we may (or may not) gain something from the collective efforts, the odds are whatever “the collective efforts” are, they are going to boost the economic value of those entities. Will they share in their upside? Not likely!Take Skype as an example - it rides on our broadband pipes, for which we a hefty monthly charge. It uses our computers and pipes to replace a network that cost phone companies billions to build. In exchange we can make free phone calls to other Skype users. I have no problems with that. I had no problems with Skype charging me for SkypeIN and SkypeOUT calls as well, for this was only a premium service only to be used if and when needed. [...]</p> [...] Om Malik has been having similar thoughts: if we tag, bookmark or share, and help del.icio.us or Technorati or Yahoo become better commercial entities, aren’t we seemingly commoditizing our most valuable asset - time. We become the outsourced workforce, the collective, though it is still unclear what is the pay-off. While we may (or may not) gain something from the collective efforts, the odds are whatever “the collective efforts” are, they are going to boost the economic value of those entities. Will they share in their upside? Not likely!Take Skype as an example - it rides on our broadband pipes, for which we a hefty monthly charge. It uses our computers and pipes to replace a network that cost phone companies billions to build. In exchange we can make free phone calls to other Skype users. I have no problems with that. I had no problems with Skype charging me for SkypeIN and SkypeOUT calls as well, for this was only a premium service only to be used if and when needed. [...]

]]> By: Wikinomics http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-421506 Wikinomics Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:33:12 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-421506 <p>[...] about a culture of generosity or a smoke screen for exploitation? Consider again, Om Malik’s blog post. Avoid commoditization of your [...]</p> [...] about a culture of generosity or a smoke screen for exploitation? Consider again, Om Malik’s blog post. Avoid commoditization of your [...]

]]> By: boxcars http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-120222 boxcars Tue, 29 May 2007 17:22:42 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-120222 <p>Part of Google's success is built on the free-flow of ideas to the extent that the ownership of them becomes unknown. Perhaps that is the greatest value of web 2.0; the proliferation of innovative ideas that provides value to everyone.</p> <p>Does it really matter if the big companies make money while doing it? We are all benefitting in one way or the other.</p> <p>The whole point of the patent offices is to publicize innovative ideas to advance society as a whole. Sure, companies race to have their patents approved and recognized for financial gains, but in the end, society benefits.</p> Part of Google’s success is built on the free-flow of ideas to the extent that the ownership of them becomes unknown. Perhaps that is the greatest value of web 2.0; the proliferation of innovative ideas that provides value to everyone.

Does it really matter if the big companies make money while doing it? We are all benefitting in one way or the other.

The whole point of the patent offices is to publicize innovative ideas to advance society as a whole. Sure, companies race to have their patents approved and recognized for financial gains, but in the end, society benefits.

]]> By: User Generated Company Value (1) « Sprechblase http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26102 User Generated Company Value (1) « Sprechblase Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:02:38 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26102 <p>[...] habe dazu früher schon mal ausgeführt. Auch international stellen sich manche die ersten Fragen angesichts der monetären Entwicklungen von Web 2.0 Unternehmen. Es ist [...]</p> [...] habe dazu früher schon mal ausgeführt. Auch international stellen sich manche die ersten Fragen angesichts der monetären Entwicklungen von Web 2.0 Unternehmen. Es ist [...]

]]> By: STUFFLEUFAGUS - “A true friend stabs you in the front” - Oscar Wilde » About Us, Community Owned - Cambrian House, Home of Crowdsourcing http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26101 STUFFLEUFAGUS - “A true friend stabs you in the front” - Oscar Wilde » About Us, Community Owned - Cambrian House, Home of Crowdsourcing Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:44:32 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26101 <p>[...] were deeply inspired by Om Malik’s original blog post about the community commerce conundrum, and we wanted to be the first to solve [...]</p> [...] were deeply inspired by Om Malik’s original blog post about the community commerce conundrum, and we wanted to be the first to solve [...]

]]> By: Neil Johnston http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26100 Neil Johnston Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:04:55 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26100 <p>I say why be sceptical or fear Web 2.0 it's simply another wave of progress. For the little I've seen so far it seems like an exciting new way to relate and collaborate across the web, something we all try to do in our own lives.. I think sharing information and ideas is excellent, I tried sharing my photos on flickr a few days ago using a new concept called hubtag at hubtag.com it's very simply and an idea that i think trully embraces the spirit of 2.0..</p> I say why be sceptical or fear Web 2.0 it’s simply another wave of progress. For the little I’ve seen so far it seems like an exciting new way to relate and collaborate across the web, something we all try to do in our own lives.. I think sharing information and ideas is excellent, I tried sharing my photos on flickr a few days ago using a new concept called hubtag at hubtag.com it’s very simply and an idea that i think trully embraces the spirit of 2.0..

]]> By: Thrashing Stinks » Blog Archive » Social Bookmarking: Someone gets my drift http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26099 Thrashing Stinks » Blog Archive » Social Bookmarking: Someone gets my drift Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:46:06 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26099 [...] Om Malik has an interesting piece regarding the article I linked to today (The Amorality of Web 2.0). In it, he gets to the point I was unable to state clearly the other day (Social Bookmarking: I don’t get it) [...] [...] Om Malik has an interesting piece regarding the article I linked to today (The Amorality of Web 2.0). In it, he gets to the point I was unable to state clearly the other day (Social Bookmarking: I don’t get it) [...]

]]> By: Om Malik’s Broadband Blog — » Amazon.com, Harbinger of Web 2.0 Trends http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26098 Om Malik’s Broadband Blog — » Amazon.com, Harbinger of Web 2.0 Trends Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:48:51 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26098 [...] Over the weekend, I attended the >Play Conference at University of California’s Haas School of Business, and got a chance to meet some interesting folks who are conducting cool experiments in digital media. In between panels and keynotes, I snuck out for a quick puff, and ended up hanging out with Tim Westergren, Chief Strategy Officer & Founder of Pandora Music, Jared Kopf of Slide and Steve Shannon, co-founder of Akimbo. Expectedly, as always has been the case in recent days the conversation turned towards the topic of “the user generated content.” (Most of you know where I stand on this issue.) It was only going to be a matter of time before we started talking about the new Amazon Turk api. Basically, if you have a specific task that isn’t easily automated, you ask people to do it for you, at a set price. At the moment of this posting, it looks like the few tasks available are simply Amazon looking for extremely cheap labor in writing product descriptions or picking the “best” photo for A9’s blockview system. [...] [...] Over the weekend, I attended the >Play Conference at University of California’s Haas School of Business, and got a chance to meet some interesting folks who are conducting cool experiments in digital media. In between panels and keynotes, I snuck out for a quick puff, and ended up hanging out with Tim Westergren, Chief Strategy Officer & Founder of Pandora Music, Jared Kopf of Slide and Steve Shannon, co-founder of Akimbo. Expectedly, as always has been the case in recent days the conversation turned towards the topic of “the user generated content.” (Most of you know where I stand on this issue.) It was only going to be a matter of time before we started talking about the new Amazon Turk api. Basically, if you have a specific task that isn’t easily automated, you ask people to do it for you, at a set price. At the moment of this posting, it looks like the few tasks available are simply Amazon looking for extremely cheap labor in writing product descriptions or picking the “best” photo for A9’s blockview system. [...]

]]> By: 12 frogs » Blog Archive » What matters is the fair exchange of data and value http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26097 12 frogs » Blog Archive » What matters is the fair exchange of data and value Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:16:27 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26097 [...] Web 2.0, Community & the Commerce Conundrum [...] [...] Web 2.0, Community & the Commerce Conundrum [...]

]]> By: SharpEyes http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26096 SharpEyes Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:47:10 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26096 Money is one thing and power is the other. As the money is carefully horded and was often created in the first place from environmentally and socially destructive activities, the site I contribute to concentrates on politics or power. Pointing out the amorality of politicians in the hope of getting rid of some of them and limiting the excesses of others. The purpose of the FutureOfCairns.net website is to break the strangle hold that the Cairns City Council has on information about local issues. Never once have they responded to reasonable question instead doing their business behind closed doors. So we have created bloggs to raise the issues and forums for people to have their say. FutureOfCairns.net is a real attempt to put the community, sharing and democrasy on the web. We would be very pleased if someone could share with us some links to similar efforts elsewhere Money is one thing and power is the other. As the money is carefully horded and was often created in the first place from environmentally and socially destructive activities, the site I contribute to concentrates on politics or power. Pointing out the amorality of politicians in the hope of getting rid of some of them and limiting the excesses of others. The purpose of the FutureOfCairns.net website is to break the strangle hold that the Cairns City Council has on information about local issues. Never once have they responded to reasonable question instead doing their business behind closed doors. So we have created bloggs to raise the issues and forums for people to have their say. FutureOfCairns.net is a real attempt to put the community, sharing and democrasy on the web. We would be very pleased if someone could share with us some links to similar efforts elsewhere

]]> By: rahul http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26095 rahul Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:40:06 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26095 Hey i am an active member on Mouthshut.com and they dont pay either but they're big and pretty popular. on another note Looks like access of data over handheld devices will shape the future of internet. A source in Indian media tells me that data access over GPRS even in India is becoming mainstream. CNBC is capturing this- perhaps the first of its kind- on a popular show called Young Turks. My source did not tell me when this show will be broadcast, but they're doing a major story about Mouthshut.com and it's ceo where the ceo makes mainstream use of GPRS. i'm gonna find out more about when this show will be on, but the bigger picture is GPRS and a consumer site ceo! Hey i am an active member on Mouthshut.com and they dont pay either but they’re big and pretty popular.
on another note Looks like access of data over handheld devices will shape the future of internet.

A source in Indian media tells me that data access over GPRS even in India is becoming mainstream.

CNBC is capturing this- perhaps the first of its kind- on a popular show called Young Turks. My source did not tell me when this show will be broadcast, but they’re doing a major story about Mouthshut.com and it’s ceo where the ceo makes mainstream use of GPRS.

i’m gonna find out more about when this show will be on, but the bigger picture is GPRS and a consumer site ceo!

]]> By: Serge Lescouarnec http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26094 Serge Lescouarnec Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:35:59 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26094 Om I do not think it is a black and white issue. I see a number of companies in the Web 2.0 sphere who offer more hype than real innovation. I do see some people coming up with very good products though (Zimbra for example). The dilemna between openness and setting barriers is also not simple. Personally i started screaning comments on my BLOG 'Serge the Concierge' http://sergetheconcierge.typepad.com after a couple people started 'flaming' in their notes. Take care Serge My other BLOG http://creativebusiness.typepad.com Om

I do not think it is a black and white issue.
I see a number of companies in the Web 2.0 sphere who offer more hype than real innovation. I do see some people coming up with very good products though (Zimbra for example).
The dilemna between openness and setting barriers is also not simple. Personally i started screaning comments on my BLOG ‘Serge the Concierge’ http://sergetheconcierge.typepad.com after a couple people started ‘flaming’ in their notes.
Take care

Serge
My other BLOG http://creativebusiness.typepad.com

]]> By: Jeff Blaine http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26093 Jeff Blaine Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:11:44 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26093 "People wouldn’t use Web 2.0 tools of they were useless." I completely disagree. “People wouldn’t use Web 2.0 tools of they were useless.”

I completely disagree.

]]> By: Om Malik’s Broadband Blog — » ebay Insider on Amoral Web 2.0 http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26092 Om Malik’s Broadband Blog — » ebay Insider on Amoral Web 2.0 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:59:03 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26092 [...] Will Hsu, who works in the product marketing department of EBay defends the grown-up decisions by eBay, and Craigslist. His post, “The Amoral Mr. Smith” is worth reading as a follow-up to my post from yesterday. [...] [...] Will Hsu, who works in the product marketing department of EBay defends the grown-up decisions by eBay, and Craigslist. His post, “The Amoral Mr. Smith” is worth reading as a follow-up to my post from yesterday. [...]

]]> By: Hitchhiker's Guide to 650 http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26091 Hitchhiker's Guide to 650 Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:24:25 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26091 <strong>The Amoral Mr. Smith</strong> 215 years latter, Adam Smith is having his last laugh again. Here we go again, arguing on the seemingly incompatibility of business and humanity. Is web 2.0 really so different from previous incarnations of business models, opportunities, and organiz... The Amoral Mr. Smith

215 years latter, Adam Smith is having his last laugh again. Here we go again, arguing on the seemingly incompatibility of business and humanity. Is web 2.0 really so different from previous incarnations of business models, opportunities, and organiz…

]]> By: Pat McCarthy http://gigaom.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26090 Pat McCarthy Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:22:46 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/web-20-the-community-the-commerce-conundrum/#comment-26090 Isn't the upside a helpful service? People aren't using Web 2.0 tools for the hope of some business upside, they're using the tools because they are helpful at accomplishing their tasks. Flickr saves me time. Sure, it uses time, but I'd spend even more time managing and sharing my photos over email without flickr. Del.icio.us saves me time. I'd have to go back and find sites I have since forgotten because I didn't want them clogging my brower bookmarks, but they were still important. People wouldn't use Web 2.0 tools of they were useless. What's the business model for some of these companies is the bigger question, but in some cases there might not even need to be one. I'm sure the del.icio.us investors want some return on equity, but I believe del.icio.us has one employee. This isn't quite reaching the Web 1.0 craziness. Isn’t the upside a helpful service? People aren’t using Web 2.0 tools for the hope of some business upside, they’re using the tools because they are helpful at accomplishing their tasks.

Flickr saves me time. Sure, it uses time, but I’d spend even more time managing and sharing my photos over email without flickr.

Del.icio.us saves me time. I’d have to go back and find sites I have since forgotten because I didn’t want them clogging my brower bookmarks, but they were still important.

People wouldn’t use Web 2.0 tools of they were useless.

What’s the business model for some of these companies is the bigger question, but in some cases there might not even need to be one. I’m sure the del.icio.us investors want some return on equity, but I believe del.icio.us has one employee. This isn’t quite reaching the Web 1.0 craziness.

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