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		<title>By: HabboBaby</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21434</link>
		<dc:creator>HabboBaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi there, I just started using iChat&#8230; manage to get the jabber work for google talk but how can I make th video chat work so that my frens could see me?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I just started using iChat&#8230; manage to get the jabber work for google talk but how can I make th video chat work so that my frens could see me?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Google Integrates Chat with GMail</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21433</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Google Integrates Chat with GMail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Google has plans to integrate GTalk chat/IM service with its popular GMail email service. On the urging of some readers including Venkatesh and Gtalkr&#8217;s Dudley Carr, I checked my GMail, and discovered a &#8220;chat&#8221; entry in the left hand menu. When I clicked, this message came up: Get Google Talk so you can chat and make free voice calls with friends. Your Google Talk chat history can be automatically saved right here in your Gmail account. Also coming soon: chat in Gmail! Looks like you can soon chat from within the browser, ala Meebo.  Maybe this will get some life into the Gtalk platform, which like most (if not all) Google efforts has been slow out of the gates. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Google has plans to integrate GTalk chat/IM service with its popular GMail email service. On the urging of some readers including Venkatesh and Gtalkr&#8217;s Dudley Carr, I checked my GMail, and discovered a &#8220;chat&#8221; entry in the left hand menu. When I clicked, this message came up: Get Google Talk so you can chat and make free voice calls with friends. Your Google Talk chat history can be automatically saved right here in your Gmail account. Also coming soon: chat in Gmail! Looks like you can soon chat from within the browser, ala Meebo.  Maybe this will get some life into the Gtalk platform, which like most (if not all) Google efforts has been slow out of the gates. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: CLAY SHENTRUP</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21432</link>
		<dc:creator>CLAY SHENTRUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 01:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s unfortunate to hear Google Talk compared to other platforms, when there simply is no comparison.  Google Talk uses &lt;em&gt;standards&lt;/em&gt; instead of proprietary procols, like the others.  It uses Jabber for test, and Jingle for voice.  With many IM clients already supporting Jabber, and a few in the process of adding Jingle support, this means you can have &lt;em&gt;choice&lt;/em&gt; of which client you want to use.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Further, Google is in the process of getting their servers to be compatible with other XMPP servers, so that john_doe@talk.google.com can chat with jane_jones@jabber.org&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Google Talk has progress to be made, but it is fundmantally more robust than competing products.  Jingle will quite likely beat out SIP (session initiation protocol) as the standard for VoIP, as it is easier to implement, and is better with firewalls.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate to hear Google Talk compared to other platforms, when there simply is no comparison.  Google Talk uses <em>standards</em> instead of proprietary procols, like the others.  It uses Jabber for test, and Jingle for voice.  With many IM clients already supporting Jabber, and a few in the process of adding Jingle support, this means you can have <em>choice</em> of which client you want to use.</p>

<p>Further, Google is in the process of getting their servers to be compatible with other XMPP servers, so that <a href="mailto:john_doe@talk.google.com">john_doe@talk.google.com</a> can chat with <a href="mailto:jane_jones@jabber.org">jane_jones@jabber.org</a></p>

<p>Google Talk has progress to be made, but it is fundmantally more robust than competing products.  Jingle will quite likely beat out SIP (session initiation protocol) as the standard for VoIP, as it is easier to implement, and is better with firewalls.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hey AOL, You Got Googled</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21431</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hey AOL, You Got Googled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] AOL, by the way continues to be the king maker in the Internet space, despite its troubles. I think many, scratch that, almost all have focused on the advertising aspect of this deal. In my mind, this is a deal which has larger strategic implications. The first - the instant messaging. The two companies explicitly state that they are going to interoperate their IM networks. For Google&#8217;s GTalk, this is a big boost, something it needed desperately in order to increase traction when compared to Microsoft and Yahoo. The IM alliance between Google-AOL is a good way to combat Microsoft-Yahoo IM combo.  Wait, there is more&#8230;. Google had announced major voice-related announcements to the Jabber platform via its Jingle project.  With the release of Libjingle, the makers of these clients will be able to add the ability to make and receive calls between their clients and Google Talk. In fact, they&#8217;ll be able to support calls between their clients and ANY OTHER clients that support Libjingle . [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AOL, by the way continues to be the king maker in the Internet space, despite its troubles. I think many, scratch that, almost all have focused on the advertising aspect of this deal. In my mind, this is a deal which has larger strategic implications. The first &#8211; the instant messaging. The two companies explicitly state that they are going to interoperate their IM networks. For Google&#8217;s GTalk, this is a big boost, something it needed desperately in order to increase traction when compared to Microsoft and Yahoo. The IM alliance between Google-AOL is a good way to combat Microsoft-Yahoo IM combo.  Wait, there is more&#8230;. Google had announced major voice-related announcements to the Jabber platform via its Jingle project.  With the release of Libjingle, the makers of these clients will be able to add the ability to make and receive calls between their clients and Google Talk. In fact, they&#8217;ll be able to support calls between their clients and ANY OTHER clients that support Libjingle . [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Hey AOL, You Got Googled</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21430</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Hey AOL, You Got Googled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] AOL, by the way continues to be the king maker in the Internet space, despite its troubles. I think many, scratch that, almost all have focused on the advertising aspect of this deal. In my mind, this is a deal which has larger strategic implications. The first - the instant messaging. The two companies explicitly state that they are going to interoperate their IM networks. For Google&#8217;s GTalk, this is a big boost, something it needed desperately in order to increase traction when compared to Microsoft and Yahoo. The IM alliance between Google-AOL is a good way to combat Microsoft-Yahoo IM combo.  Wait, there is more&#8230;. Google had announced major voice-related announcements to the Jabber platform via its Jingle project.  With the release of Libjingle, the makers of these clients will be able to add the ability to make and receive calls between their clients and Google Talk. In fact, they&#8217;ll be able to support calls between their clients and ANY OTHER clients that support Libjingle . [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AOL, by the way continues to be the king maker in the Internet space, despite its troubles. I think many, scratch that, almost all have focused on the advertising aspect of this deal. In my mind, this is a deal which has larger strategic implications. The first &#8211; the instant messaging. The two companies explicitly state that they are going to interoperate their IM networks. For Google&#8217;s GTalk, this is a big boost, something it needed desperately in order to increase traction when compared to Microsoft and Yahoo. The IM alliance between Google-AOL is a good way to combat Microsoft-Yahoo IM combo.  Wait, there is more&#8230;. Google had announced major voice-related announcements to the Jabber platform via its Jingle project.  With the release of Libjingle, the makers of these clients will be able to add the ability to make and receive calls between their clients and Google Talk. In fact, they&#8217;ll be able to support calls between their clients and ANY OTHER clients that support Libjingle . [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Gtalkr, Web-Based GTalk Client</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21429</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik on Broadband : &#187; Gtalkr, Web-Based GTalk Client</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] A few weeks back I introduced you folks to Meebo, a browser-based IM aggregation client that leveraged technologies collectively known as AJAX. Now meet Gtalkr, a Flash-based implementation of Google Talk. I have been playing around with it for a few days, and as a Mac user, I can finally enjoy the GTalk IM Service. It is fairly simple product to use. Go to this website, use your Gmail ID and log in. Nothing to download, nothing to install. But ease of use is not the only thing. In many ways it is like GTalk plus. (I wish it looked prettier, but it works nicely [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few weeks back I introduced you folks to Meebo, a browser-based IM aggregation client that leveraged technologies collectively known as AJAX. Now meet Gtalkr, a Flash-based implementation of Google Talk. I have been playing around with it for a few days, and as a Mac user, I can finally enjoy the GTalk IM Service. It is fairly simple product to use. Go to this website, use your Gmail ID and log in. Nothing to download, nothing to install. But ease of use is not the only thing. In many ways it is like GTalk plus. (I wish it looked prettier, but it works nicely [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Guessing Google&#8217;s VoIP Plan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21428</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Guessing Google&#8217;s VoIP Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] cal search results.&#8221;  Since the story first made the rounds, a few new developments. Google released Google Talk, its voice-enabled IM client based on Jabber platform. And earl [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cal search results.&#8221;  Since the story first made the rounds, a few new developments. Google released Google Talk, its voice-enabled IM client based on Jabber platform. And earl [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Long Term Impact of Voice over IM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21427</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Long Term Impact of Voice over IM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ng up with Jones. Yahoo (via DialPad acquisition), Microsoft (via Teleo acquisition), AIM, Google Talk and Apple’s iChat are taking a cue from Skype and giving their users to have  [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ng up with Jones. Yahoo (via DialPad acquisition), Microsoft (via Teleo acquisition), AIM, Google Talk and Apple’s iChat are taking a cue from Skype and giving their users to have  [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul Jardine</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21426</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Jardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that Google created an IM/Voice client and the fact that is based on Jabber are the main things to take from this launch.
They probably went to market earlier than they would like, but then again, why not let the market decide what it wants?
Read the blogs, the wishlist has already been provided and Google can bring its resources to bear on putting them in the product.
Integration with Desktop 2 is bound to come and perhaps with some of the other products Google has in it&#039;s stable.
Skype has lost momentum by developing video when it was clear that someone else was doing it. Delaying the introduction of Skype video would not have had much impact, and they could have focused on improving the basic platform. It could be a costly mistake.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Google created an IM/Voice client and the fact that is based on Jabber are the main things to take from this launch.
They probably went to market earlier than they would like, but then again, why not let the market decide what it wants?
Read the blogs, the wishlist has already been provided and Google can bring its resources to bear on putting them in the product.
Integration with Desktop 2 is bound to come and perhaps with some of the other products Google has in it&#8217;s stable.
Skype has lost momentum by developing video when it was clear that someone else was doing it. Delaying the introduction of Skype video would not have had much impact, and they could have focused on improving the basic platform. It could be a costly mistake.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cory</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21425</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 04:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep, Google Talk is up, I managed to get it last night and haven&#039;t stopped using it since!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Google Talk is up, I managed to get it last night and haven&#8217;t stopped using it since!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you run the download and sniff the packets, you can see that it&#039;s using GIPS codecs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why this versus Skype? Well Google Does No Evil.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Why this versus Skype? Well Google Does No Evil.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: morris</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21423</link>
		<dc:creator>morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;where is XTEN NETWORK in google talk?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is XTEN NETWORK in google talk?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Digital Media Review</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21422</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Media Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] with. For now, Skype has nothing to worry about except its own lack of supersonic growth.     Om Malik’s Broadband Blog » Google’s Jabber is Alive, works with iChat AV&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt; [...]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with. For now, Skype has nothing to worry about except its own lack of supersonic growth.     Om Malik’s Broadband Blog » Google’s Jabber is Alive, works with iChat AV</p>

<pre><code> [...]
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		<title>By: Ian Andrew Bell</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Andrew Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;YACC (Yet Another Chat Client).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Unless this has some compelling community-based feature beyond simple IM chat, why on earth is anyone going to use it?  Apart from letting me use my GMail identity, what&#039;s to be gained?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Google is pretty naive if they think that Yahoo! et al will be interested in opening their networks for Google&#039;s exploitation as a network-based equivalent of Trillian (which is what Jabber was originally intended to be) by federating IM identity. If YahOo! and MSN and AOL couldn&#039;t agree to open their networks and federate to each other, why should they want to do the same to GoOgle, an even more threatening entity?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) This would be great in a world where Skype et al did not exist, but even then its value to Google&#039;s core business is questionable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer:  Obviously this is just a beta, and not the endgame, but Google had better get a lot smarter about understanding the viral and community dynamics driving IM and VoIP and figuring out how they would monetize such a service in the long haul, otherwise this could be a very expensive expedition that gets them nowhere.  Voice service are not the kind of thing you can &quot;just throw out there&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YACC (Yet Another Chat Client).</p>

<p>1) Unless this has some compelling community-based feature beyond simple IM chat, why on earth is anyone going to use it?  Apart from letting me use my GMail identity, what&#8217;s to be gained?</p>

<p>2) Google is pretty naive if they think that Yahoo! et al will be interested in opening their networks for Google&#8217;s exploitation as a network-based equivalent of Trillian (which is what Jabber was originally intended to be) by federating IM identity. If YahOo! and MSN and AOL couldn&#8217;t agree to open their networks and federate to each other, why should they want to do the same to GoOgle, an even more threatening entity?</p>

<p>3) This would be great in a world where Skype et al did not exist, but even then its value to Google&#8217;s core business is questionable.</p>

<p>Disclaimer:  Obviously this is just a beta, and not the endgame, but Google had better get a lot smarter about understanding the viral and community dynamics driving IM and VoIP and figuring out how they would monetize such a service in the long haul, otherwise this could be a very expensive expedition that gets them nowhere.  Voice service are not the kind of thing you can &#8220;just throw out there&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ravneet</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravneet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That screen shot is in the downloaded product Gary. If you right click on the tray icon, you will see that screen.
I have it here:
http://www.emergintex.com/blog/?p=88&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That screen shot is in the downloaded product Gary. If you right click on the tray icon, you will see that screen.
I have it here:
<a href="http://www.emergintex.com/blog/?p=88" rel="nofollow">http://www.emergintex.com/blog/?p=88</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/08/23/googles-jabber-is-alive/#comment-21419</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How do you &quot;know&quot; they are using GIPS - that screen shot is NOT in the download&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you &#8220;know&#8221; they are using GIPS &#8211; that screen shot is NOT in the download</p>]]></content:encoded>
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