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		<title>By: Pete Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Malik misses one key point, though: the interesting thing about the internet music model, as opposed to the broadcast model, is that the customer is the listener.</p>

<p>In over-the-air broadcasting, the advertiser is the customer, the audience is the product, and the individual listener is a supplier. Broadcast radio is all about giving away content &#8220;free&#8221; to listeners in order to supply them to advertisers.</p>

<p>Satellite radio, podcasts, and streaming music subscriptions seem to be more about pleasing the listener at an individual level. That is, treating them like a customer.</p>

<p>I haven&#8217;t seen any examples yet of a successful business model that merges the two concepts: &#8220;listener as customer&#8221; vs. &#8220;advertiser as customer.&#8221; I think that most subscription service listeners join because they want to be a customer instead of an audience to advertisers.</p>

<p>Though I haven&#8217;t thought all the way through the subtle differences in the mind of the customer, I think that&#8217;s exactly where the answer lies for a successful blend of the two revenue streams. That is, until we understand the psychology of the radio listener a little better, we can&#8217;t mix advertising and pay services.</p>

<p>After all, if HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, and other pay TV channels started running commercial advertisements, wouldn&#8217;t you rethink your $10 monthly payment for the service? It&#8217;s a tough problem to crack.</p>

<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, though, in order to have a profitable advertising business in streaming media, you need a lot of listeners, according to David Frerichs, founder of iM Networks. <a Href="http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/03_Rwx_SMWfinal.shtml" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The reason that many of these stations aren&#8217;t profitable is simply because they&#8217;re not big enough. To create a profitable streaming radio business, you need about 10 million listener hours per month.â€? </a> I am betting that the introductory offers Yahoo is putting out there are aimed at building that critical mass.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MR WILLIAMS</title>
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		<title>By: Heather Green</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 13:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Om,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We thought the same thing. But Yahoo was adamant that they aren&#039;t in this to sell ads.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2005/05/an_ad_ad_ad_ad.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Om,</p>

<p>We thought the same thing. But Yahoo was adamant that they aren&#8217;t in this to sell ads.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2005/05/an_ad_ad_ad_ad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2005/05/an_ad_ad_ad_ad.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Small Company CTO &#187; Yahoo Music for Free??</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Company CTO &#187; Yahoo Music for Free??</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 09:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ld make some serious cash here. Has the record industry hoisted by its own petard?&#8221;      Full Post&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: jbelkin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yahoo can&#039;t offer it free because advertisers don&#039;t value free so Yahoo has to sell it at something - cheap enough to attract a high number of viewers. Yahoo makes money on each page view bnecause they can dice and slice each page &amp; view depending on what you click &amp; the path you take.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is subscripton is a limited market once you learn the details. The average music fan is not going to sit down on their PC for hours on end to sort through 50-thousands of songs each month - to move onto a playlist for songs they like enough to listen to NOT to own. Average music fans do not want to play radio station for songs they do NOT own.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But for stream recorders/hackers/crackers/hoarders, this is perfect. For $8 a month, they can grab 10-20 CD&#039;s a DAY.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Subscriptions sound great - like Netflix but the reality of subscription music is not the same as renting a DVD - the equivilient is that for $8 you can rent all the movies you want but you havef to edit them together ... some appeal yes&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mass appeal - no.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo can&#8217;t offer it free because advertisers don&#8217;t value free so Yahoo has to sell it at something &#8211; cheap enough to attract a high number of viewers. Yahoo makes money on each page view bnecause they can dice and slice each page &amp; view depending on what you click &amp; the path you take.</p>

<p>The problem is subscripton is a limited market once you learn the details. The average music fan is not going to sit down on their PC for hours on end to sort through 50-thousands of songs each month &#8211; to move onto a playlist for songs they like enough to listen to NOT to own. Average music fans do not want to play radio station for songs they do NOT own.</p>

<p>But for stream recorders/hackers/crackers/hoarders, this is perfect. For $8 a month, they can grab 10-20 CD&#8217;s a DAY.</p>

<p>Subscriptions sound great &#8211; like Netflix but the reality of subscription music is not the same as renting a DVD &#8211; the equivilient is that for $8 you can rent all the movies you want but you havef to edit them together &#8230; some appeal yes</p>

<p>mass appeal &#8211; no.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Importance of...</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 02:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Om Malik on Yahoo! Music&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Om Malik discusses the Yahoo! Music business model (The Yahoo Music Business Model). His conclusion? They might be able to make a profit through advertising if the subscriptions are free.Hypothetical scenario: what if Yahoo turned this into a free serv...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Om Malik on Yahoo! Music</strong></p>

<p>Om Malik discusses the Yahoo! Music business model (The Yahoo Music Business Model). His conclusion? They might be able to make a profit through advertising if the subscriptions are free.Hypothetical scenario: what if Yahoo turned this into a free serv&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lindon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 01:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The most interesting thing here is in a Yahoo vs Apple world Yahoo wont be &quot;closed&quot; and will offer their service across other devices (read: mobile phones). Apple wont/cant go this path (they still own and target the end-user device: iPod), Yahoo meanwhile could care less what you are listening on...they may just back-end a carrier-based service and add to their potential base.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah the Motarola iTunes phone? Ever see the light of day? Nope, thought not - last thing the carriers want is iTunes in their walled gardens.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most interesting thing here is in a Yahoo vs Apple world Yahoo wont be &#8220;closed&#8221; and will offer their service across other devices (read: mobile phones). Apple wont/cant go this path (they still own and target the end-user device: iPod), Yahoo meanwhile could care less what you are listening on&#8230;they may just back-end a carrier-based service and add to their potential base.</p>

<p>Oh yeah the Motarola iTunes phone? Ever see the light of day? Nope, thought not &#8211; last thing the carriers want is iTunes in their walled gardens.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tech Beat</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/25/steve-jerry-and-the-yahoo-music-business-model/#comment-13833</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 21:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;An Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad World for Yahoo Music?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On Yahoo Music and its subscription model.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>On Yahoo Music and its subscription model.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MobilePlaya  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Unpacking the Yahoo Music Biz Model</title>
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		<dc:creator>MobilePlaya  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Unpacking the Yahoo Music Biz Model</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 20:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ops Function-Specific Phones                                          Unpacking the Yahoo Music Biz Model                                     GigaOm: &#8220;A few days have passed since I used and published my  [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 19:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dror&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you are right. i did the incorrect math. sorry ... it was late night. i have updated the numbers. the data is even more stark. i thank you for being &quot;public editor.&quot; $6.50 a month in advertising - well that&#039;s a big challenge, though not as difficult. ... i think they can. anyway this is just a hypothesis.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>you are right. i did the incorrect math. sorry &#8230; it was late night. i have updated the numbers. the data is even more stark. i thank you for being &#8220;public editor.&#8221; $6.50 a month in advertising &#8211; well that&#8217;s a big challenge, though not as difficult. &#8230; i think they can. anyway this is just a hypothesis.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dror shimshowitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 17:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You really need to do some better math, here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) You postulate that if Yahoo eats the costs ($4.5 per month) and just gets advertising revenue ($2 per month) it would MAKE money?!?  Sounds like the change bank (lose money on every customer but make it up in volume!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Do you really think it&#039;s possible to get $2 per month in advertising for each user?!?  Really?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really need to do some better math, here.</p>

<p>1) You postulate that if Yahoo eats the costs ($4.5 per month) and just gets advertising revenue ($2 per month) it would MAKE money?!?  Sounds like the change bank (lose money on every customer but make it up in volume!)</p>

<p>2) Do you really think it&#8217;s possible to get $2 per month in advertising for each user?!?  Really?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tony Gentile</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/25/steve-jerry-and-the-yahoo-music-business-model/#comment-13829</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Gentile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 17:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s the value in knowing all of a user&#039;s music preferences, in light of the launch of their movie recommendation engine (where they&#039;ll now potentially also know your video/movie preferences):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.buzzhit.com/2005/05/yahoo-movies-adds-recommendation.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yahoo is marketing itself to the entertainment industry as a complimentary platform. That argument is much more compelling when it has millions of profiles (from paid subscribers); how much are the HotJobs/Apprentice tie-ins (etc) worth to Yahoo and its brand?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IMHO, there&#039;s more going on here than just the dollars &amp; sense of the subscription revenues.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the value in knowing all of a user&#8217;s music preferences, in light of the launch of their movie recommendation engine (where they&#8217;ll now potentially also know your video/movie preferences):</p>

<p><a href="http://www.buzzhit.com/2005/05/yahoo-movies-adds-recommendation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzhit.com/2005/05/yahoo-movies-adds-recommendation.html</a></p>

<p>Yahoo is marketing itself to the entertainment industry as a complimentary platform. That argument is much more compelling when it has millions of profiles (from paid subscribers); how much are the HotJobs/Apprentice tie-ins (etc) worth to Yahoo and its brand?</p>

<p>IMHO, there&#8217;s more going on here than just the dollars &amp; sense of the subscription revenues.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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