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	<title>Comments on: Forget Folders, Think Smart Folders</title>
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		<title>By: Elvis Ripley</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elvis Ripley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I use them in the Tiger finder and have started to use them in Mail.  They are pretty sweet and change a lot about the way I work but mainly I use the new search functions to search for something when I need it and do away with folders all together, smart or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use them in the Tiger finder and have started to use them in Mail.  They are pretty sweet and change a lot about the way I work but mainly I use the new search functions to search for something when I need it and do away with folders all together, smart or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 22:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apple has really been a pioneer with smart folders -- iTunes has been utilizing them to deliver a great UI for a few years now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has really been a pioneer with smart folders &#8212; iTunes has been utilizing them to deliver a great UI for a few years now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Backdrifter.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Backdrifter.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 20:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Folders Get Smarter&lt;/strong&gt;

Traditionally, people have saved and organized file on their computer using folders and subfolders.  This works well for a relatively small number of files, but breaks down as you try to organize more and more items.  Recently, new innovations in searc...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Folders Get Smarter</strong></p>
<p>Traditionally, people have saved and organized file on their computer using folders and subfolders.  This works well for a relatively small number of files, but breaks down as you try to organize more and more items.  Recently, new innovations in searc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Suranga Chandratillake</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suranga Chandratillake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 19:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Om,

Thanks for mentioning our product in your discussion about this -- I think it&#039;s a topic that&#039;s only going to get increasingly interesting as we all deal with more and more stuff on our computers/devices.

I just read the WSJ column and sort of agree.  The hierarchical nature of folders is a very valuable as is the very idea of &#039;foldering&#039; things ... I think the problem is the assumption that this foldering somehow has to be a manual process.

In fact, if you have technology like blinkx&#039;s it&#039;s possible to define a hierarchy, build it and organise it yourself but, when things get overwhelming, let the computer use what you&#039;ve started as a seed to helping you in the future.

I think the technology you use to achieve automatic sorting is the key here ... most technologies today (gmail, Tiger and some of the others) depend on keyword searches and metadata -- these work great in some cases but can be easily fooled in others with pretty annoying results (millions of documents because your home improvement folder on &#039;windows&#039; suddenly picked up every mention of the OS&#039;s name, etc).  That&#039;s why we&#039;re focused on using conceptual technology in our own sorting approach that reads and understands the entirety of the files you&#039;ve put in a folder, not just fixating on a keyword or two.  If you do that and capture the nuance and subtleties of what someone&#039;s trying to organise, you stand a much better chance of organising things effectively for them.

So, overall, I&#039;d say folders are a good thing, their properties (hierarchy, controllability, etc) are all good things that mean that seach alone and/or tags can&#039;t replace them.  What does work, however, is giving those folders a bit of an intelligence boost which is exactly what we are trying to do.

cheers,
Suranga]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Om,</p>
<p>Thanks for mentioning our product in your discussion about this &#8212; I think it&#8217;s a topic that&#8217;s only going to get increasingly interesting as we all deal with more and more stuff on our computers/devices.</p>
<p>I just read the WSJ column and sort of agree.  The hierarchical nature of folders is a very valuable as is the very idea of &#8216;foldering&#8217; things &#8230; I think the problem is the assumption that this foldering somehow has to be a manual process.</p>
<p>In fact, if you have technology like blinkx&#8217;s it&#8217;s possible to define a hierarchy, build it and organise it yourself but, when things get overwhelming, let the computer use what you&#8217;ve started as a seed to helping you in the future.</p>
<p>I think the technology you use to achieve automatic sorting is the key here &#8230; most technologies today (gmail, Tiger and some of the others) depend on keyword searches and metadata &#8212; these work great in some cases but can be easily fooled in others with pretty annoying results (millions of documents because your home improvement folder on &#8216;windows&#8217; suddenly picked up every mention of the OS&#8217;s name, etc).  That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re focused on using conceptual technology in our own sorting approach that reads and understands the entirety of the files you&#8217;ve put in a folder, not just fixating on a keyword or two.  If you do that and capture the nuance and subtleties of what someone&#8217;s trying to organise, you stand a much better chance of organising things effectively for them.</p>
<p>So, overall, I&#8217;d say folders are a good thing, their properties (hierarchy, controllability, etc) are all good things that mean that seach alone and/or tags can&#8217;t replace them.  What does work, however, is giving those folders a bit of an intelligence boost which is exactly what we are trying to do.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Suranga</p>
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		<title>By: raghu</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raghu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 19:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with JD. I installed it some time back only to uninstall in less than an hour. Somehow, the software is not very eye pleasing even if it is functionally good. I was having pretty hard time using it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with JD. I installed it some time back only to uninstall in less than an hour. Somehow, the software is not very eye pleasing even if it is functionally good. I was having pretty hard time using it</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wubben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Wubben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 18:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Om, I&#039;m sorry, but there&#039;s a typo in the first sentence. The third word, &quot;is&quot;, should be &quot;in&quot; ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om, I&#8217;m sorry, but there&#8217;s a typo in the first sentence. The third word, &#8220;is&#8221;, should be &#8220;in&#8221; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JD,

I am frankly surprised because even as a mac users, i had no trouble using the smart folders etc via blinkx. it worked nicely for me. not much problems. sorry it didn&#039;t pan out for you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>I am frankly surprised because even as a mac users, i had no trouble using the smart folders etc via blinkx. it worked nicely for me. not much problems. sorry it didn&#8217;t pan out for you</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 17:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Om,

I installed the software and got the similar horrible icons/windows. The icons are small and are unique to the application, still no text accompanies them. I uninstalled it. [No, I didn&#039;t try harder to figure out the software.] I think it will kill my eyes if I kept looking at that software for one more minute.

JD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om,</p>
<p>I installed the software and got the similar horrible icons/windows. The icons are small and are unique to the application, still no text accompanies them. I uninstalled it. [No, I didn't try harder to figure out the software.] I think it will kill my eyes if I kept looking at that software for one more minute.</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Bonsai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonsai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 17:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;soft-links&quot;, as they are implemented in Windows/DOS do not update themselves, and this has always been the case (I don&#039;t remember having them in MS-DOS).

So if you create a soft-link in Windows/DOS and them move the source file the link will be orphaned. And in comparison to Unix/Mac OS the soft-links will be updates with new location of the source file automatically.

All this aside, this sounds good for a PC user; but this it should really be incorporated into the OS and not add another layer on-top of the OS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;soft-links&#8221;, as they are implemented in Windows/DOS do not update themselves, and this has always been the case (I don&#8217;t remember having them in MS-DOS).</p>
<p>So if you create a soft-link in Windows/DOS and them move the source file the link will be orphaned. And in comparison to Unix/Mac OS the soft-links will be updates with new location of the source file automatically.</p>
<p>All this aside, this sounds good for a PC user; but this it should really be incorporated into the OS and not add another layer on-top of the OS.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 17:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the latest version of MS Outlook also has a concept very close to the smart folders you describe above Om.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the latest version of MS Outlook also has a concept very close to the smart folders you describe above Om&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Om Malik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 15:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JD,

but the software is going to make you forget the ugly website. it is i tell you an abomination, but the software somehow makes up for it. anyway the software truly sucks on a mac]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD,</p>
<p>but the software is going to make you forget the ugly website. it is i tell you an abomination, but the software somehow makes up for it. anyway the software truly sucks on a mac</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw, could you tell him that his site looks horrible?

All, I see is big fonts, blinx logo and so much red color that my eye hurts. I would have never downloaded the software, if you didn&#039;t plug it.

JD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, could you tell him that his site looks horrible?</p>
<p>All, I see is big fonts, blinx logo and so much red color that my eye hurts. I would have never downloaded the software, if you didn&#8217;t plug it.</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Darnton</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/09/forget-folders-think-smart-folders/#comment-102925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Darnton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hardly think folders are dead. 98% of the data file on my computer are either un-renamed jpgs filed in folders by e event, or mp3s filed in folders parallel with my player&#039;s layout. Neither of these would be helped at all by smart folders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly think folders are dead. 98% of the data file on my computer are either un-renamed jpgs filed in folders by e event, or mp3s filed in folders parallel with my player&#8217;s layout. Neither of these would be helped at all by smart folders.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Ammosov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yuri Ammosov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 11:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, does not support Thunderbird.  Which makes it 50% worthless for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, does not support Thunderbird.  Which makes it 50% worthless for me.</p>
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