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	<title>Comments on: Vonage&#8217;s Bain,VoIP&#8217;s Pain</title>
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		<title>By: Is LinkedIn Worth $1 Billion? - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-884203</link>
		<dc:creator>Is LinkedIn Worth $1 Billion? - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $53 million in Series D funding at a valuation of $1 billion. The new round is led by Bain Capital (the same genius investors who also funded Vonage) brings the total money raised by the company to about $80 million. I wasn&#8217;t going to write [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] $53 million in Series D funding at a valuation of $1 billion. The new round is led by Bain Capital (the same genius investors who also funded Vonage) brings the total money raised by the company to about $80 million. I wasn&#8217;t going to write [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Banana Stew</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11308</link>
		<dc:creator>Banana Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vonage Issues Concerns and Praise&lt;/strong&gt;

First of all, let me be clear that I generally like Vonage. Their customer service needs significant improvement, and I'd have touble recommending it to someone who doesn't have at least minimal technical skills, but you can't beat the price and the...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vonage Issues Concerns and Praise</strong></p>
<p>First of all, let me be clear that I generally like Vonage. Their customer service needs significant improvement, and I&#8217;d have touble recommending it to someone who doesn&#8217;t have at least minimal technical skills, but you can&#8217;t beat the price and the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; BellSouth to Buy Vonage for $3.5 billion? &#8230; Not Likely</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11307</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; BellSouth to Buy Vonage for $3.5 billion? &#8230; Not Likely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On further thought, it is more like wishful thinking even though $3.5 billion is the price the Vonage investors would like to get for the company they has stuffed with dollars.   Thes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On further thought, it is more like wishful thinking even though $3.5 billion is the price the Vonage investors would like to get for the company they has stuffed with dollars.   Thes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Vonage spends more dollars&#8230; Canadian dollars</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11306</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Vonage spends more dollars&#8230; Canadian dollars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 	 		 		The free spending VoIP providers is trying to buy its way into the Canadian market. Same story, different currency! 		 		 			In VoIP (the New Phone) and  Asides 			Posted Wedne [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 	 		 		The free spending VoIP providers is trying to buy its way into the Canadian market. Same story, different currency! 		 		 			In VoIP (the New Phone) and  Asides 			Posted Wedne [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Return of the Telecom VC</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11305</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Return of the Telecom VC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] s are cautiously returning to the telecom sector. And that&#8217;s not taking into account mega investments in VoIP service providers like Vonage. Last week, PicoChip, a wireless chip [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] s are cautiously returning to the telecom sector. And that&#8217;s not taking into account mega investments in VoIP service providers like Vonage. Last week, PicoChip, a wireless chip [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Vonage Scary Big Spending Ways</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11304</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik&#8217;s Broadband Blog &#187; Vonage Scary Big Spending Ways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] , then we could see final customer acquisition cost of around $400. 	Perhaps that explains why they needed that $200 million cash infusion from Bain Capital et.al!  Business Week&#38;#821 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] , then we could see final customer acquisition cost of around $400. 	Perhaps that explains why they needed that $200 million cash infusion from Bain Capital et.al!  Business Week&amp;#821 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Thylmann's Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11303</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Thylmann's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2005 08:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is getting silly&lt;/strong&gt;

Vonage just got another $200 million from VCs. Om Malik has more. At that kind of money, I'd love to see sustainably competitive advantage, unique selling points, lock-in, and the like. I simply don't see it. Ok, I didn't invest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is getting silly</strong></p>
<p>Vonage just got another $200 million from VCs. Om Malik has more. At that kind of money, I&#8217;d love to see sustainably competitive advantage, unique selling points, lock-in, and the like. I simply don&#8217;t see it. Ok, I didn&#8217;t invest</p>
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		<title>By: Tmothy Ryan</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11302</link>
		<dc:creator>Tmothy Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 22:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vonage is starting to also have some very serious growing pains and their service is starting to suffer.

Type "Vonage Sucks" into google and you'll see what I mean. While every company offering VOIP will have their fair share of complaints, all of Vonage's customer service is now being outsourced to india and is a lesson in patience. Sometimes you get disconnected and generally you'll have to wait for around 30-60 minutes with no one answering your call.

The quality of their phone service is also starting to lag. And while there is no hard evidence out there as to call quality, I do think their rapid growth is starting to tap their capacity.

The cable and old school phone companies have an advantage, because they already have the infrastructure and capacity to deal with large numbers of customers. The reality is that Vonage is hurting with reliablity and customer service that is worse then a bad cellphone provider. They may need the money to build capacity and build a competitive infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vonage is starting to also have some very serious growing pains and their service is starting to suffer.</p>
<p>Type &#8220;Vonage Sucks&#8221; into google and you&#8217;ll see what I mean. While every company offering VOIP will have their fair share of complaints, all of Vonage&#8217;s customer service is now being outsourced to india and is a lesson in patience. Sometimes you get disconnected and generally you&#8217;ll have to wait for around 30-60 minutes with no one answering your call.</p>
<p>The quality of their phone service is also starting to lag. And while there is no hard evidence out there as to call quality, I do think their rapid growth is starting to tap their capacity.</p>
<p>The cable and old school phone companies have an advantage, because they already have the infrastructure and capacity to deal with large numbers of customers. The reality is that Vonage is hurting with reliablity and customer service that is worse then a bad cellphone provider. They may need the money to build capacity and build a competitive infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: LTM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11301</link>
		<dc:creator>LTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 21:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All voip services allow you to utilize the phone jack to send the signal to every phone in your home. The secret is making sure you don't fry your router by checking that there is no power going through the phone line.

I currently use Lingo and don't have any issues with it, so, for $20.00 a month and no long distance costs which includes Western Europe, I'm saving a lot of money considering all the family members I'm calling. $40.00 a month and $100.00 in long distanc now $20.00 total. It's a no brainer as any limitations with VOIP, the slack is picked up by my cellular phone.

The hardware side of things is impressive ( dedicated bandwidth and backup battery ) with Time Warner, but $15.00 a month and you don't even get voice mail is pretty stingy. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, does Time Warner allow virtual numbers domestically and internationally where you can allow family members to call you as if it were a local call? Might not matter to those that don't have family outside of their area, but it's a good option which most voip
companies provide.

It's not a comparison contest. Each Voip provider has its plus's and minus's. I can only see the service getting better and better and putting the frights up the phone companies that have, up to this point, been charging an arm and a leg for service. Let's hope they all don't get too greedy and ruin a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All voip services allow you to utilize the phone jack to send the signal to every phone in your home. The secret is making sure you don&#8217;t fry your router by checking that there is no power going through the phone line.</p>
<p>I currently use Lingo and don&#8217;t have any issues with it, so, for $20.00 a month and no long distance costs which includes Western Europe, I&#8217;m saving a lot of money considering all the family members I&#8217;m calling. $40.00 a month and $100.00 in long distanc now $20.00 total. It&#8217;s a no brainer as any limitations with VOIP, the slack is picked up by my cellular phone.</p>
<p>The hardware side of things is impressive ( dedicated bandwidth and backup battery ) with Time Warner, but $15.00 a month and you don&#8217;t even get voice mail is pretty stingy. Also, correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, does Time Warner allow virtual numbers domestically and internationally where you can allow family members to call you as if it were a local call? Might not matter to those that don&#8217;t have family outside of their area, but it&#8217;s a good option which most voip<br />
companies provide.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a comparison contest. Each Voip provider has its plus&#8217;s and minus&#8217;s. I can only see the service getting better and better and putting the frights up the phone companies that have, up to this point, been charging an arm and a leg for service. Let&#8217;s hope they all don&#8217;t get too greedy and ruin a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: TurboFool</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11300</link>
		<dc:creator>TurboFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 19:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Time Warner's more expensive, but it's built directly into my cable modem, drawing its own dedicated bandwidth that doesn't affect sound quality or my internet connection.  As well, unlike Vonage and AT&#38;T CallVantage, they run it into my phone jack and route it through every jack in my home, allowing me to use all my normal phones throughout my house instead of having to hook up one phone, or a multi-base cordless phone system to have phones elsewhere.  As well, the Time Warner unit has a backup battery, providing an hour of power in case of an outage.  Even if such a feature was built into a Vonage router, the actual modem still wouldn't have power, defeating the benefits.

I'm not knocking Vonage.  It seems like a great service.  But don't knock what I get for my extra $15 a month from Time Warner.  And as for charging for voice mail, that doesn't much matter to me.  I far prefer having an answering machine so I can screen my calls or pick up if I can't get to the phone before it goes to the machine.  A matter of personal preference, but unimportant to many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Time Warner&#8217;s more expensive, but it&#8217;s built directly into my cable modem, drawing its own dedicated bandwidth that doesn&#8217;t affect sound quality or my internet connection.  As well, unlike Vonage and AT&amp;T CallVantage, they run it into my phone jack and route it through every jack in my home, allowing me to use all my normal phones throughout my house instead of having to hook up one phone, or a multi-base cordless phone system to have phones elsewhere.  As well, the Time Warner unit has a backup battery, providing an hour of power in case of an outage.  Even if such a feature was built into a Vonage router, the actual modem still wouldn&#8217;t have power, defeating the benefits.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not knocking Vonage.  It seems like a great service.  But don&#8217;t knock what I get for my extra $15 a month from Time Warner.  And as for charging for voice mail, that doesn&#8217;t much matter to me.  I far prefer having an answering machine so I can screen my calls or pick up if I can&#8217;t get to the phone before it goes to the machine.  A matter of personal preference, but unimportant to many.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11299</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vonage is on top now and can stay on top if they don't do what the cable companies (cough cough - Time Warner) are doing. Vonage is 24.95 for unlimited everything - TWC digital phone wants 40 bucks and that does not include voice mail! Companies like Packet 8 don't offer the voice quality (tried them both and Voange wins hands down) and getting everything for 25 bucks versus 40 is a no brainer.

Once WiMax hits or some other broadband wireless technology then we can talk about truly mobile cheap talking (and Video) -

p.s. it's contend not content :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vonage is on top now and can stay on top if they don&#8217;t do what the cable companies (cough cough - Time Warner) are doing. Vonage is 24.95 for unlimited everything - TWC digital phone wants 40 bucks and that does not include voice mail! Companies like Packet 8 don&#8217;t offer the voice quality (tried them both and Voange wins hands down) and getting everything for 25 bucks versus 40 is a no brainer.</p>
<p>Once WiMax hits or some other broadband wireless technology then we can talk about truly mobile cheap talking (and Video) -</p>
<p>p.s. it&#8217;s contend not content :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gizmodo</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11298</link>
		<dc:creator>Gizmodo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 17:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vonage Gets Cash, Testicles&lt;/strong&gt;

We like Voice-over-IP, because we're cheap. Om likes it, too, but questions whether the recent shipment of hats made of money to Vonage is really a wise investment. But first, an out-of-context pullquote:SiliconBeat is impressed and sum it up succinct...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vonage Gets Cash, Testicles</strong></p>
<p>We like Voice-over-IP, because we&#8217;re cheap. Om likes it, too, but questions whether the recent shipment of hats made of money to Vonage is really a wise investment. But first, an out-of-context pullquote:SiliconBeat is impressed and sum it up succinct&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Masnick</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/05/05/vonages-bainvoips-pain/#comment-11297</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 06:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm still trying to figure out how they go public with Citron in charge.  The story going around is that his SEC settlement from the Datek/SOES fiasco bars him from running a public company.  I was wondering if the reason they did this round rather than go public right away had something to do with that.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050505/1840253_F.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out how they go public with Citron in charge.  The story going around is that his SEC settlement from the Datek/SOES fiasco bars him from running a public company.  I was wondering if the reason they did this round rather than go public right away had something to do with that.</p>
<p> (<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050505/1840253_F.shtml" rel="nofollow">link</a>) </p>
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