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		<title>By: Microsoft vs. Adobe &#124; Enetlive.net- Rich Internet Applications Blog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-896064</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft vs. Adobe &#124; Enetlive.net- Rich Internet Applications Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] desperately coveted that it tried to buy its then-owner, Macromedia, without much success. Instead, Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005 for $3.4 billion. Flash’s growing popularity as a core technology for online video, and Adobe’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] desperately coveted that it tried to buy its then-owner, Macromedia, without much success. Instead, Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005 for $3.4 billion. Flash’s growing popularity as a core technology for online video, and Adobe’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft vs Adobe: The Rivalry Heats Up - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-895736</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft vs Adobe: The Rivalry Heats Up - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coveted that they tried to buy its then owner, Macromedia, without much success. Instead, Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005 for $3.4 billion. Flash&#8217;s growing popularity as a core technology for online video, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] coveted that they tried to buy its then owner, Macromedia, without much success. Instead, Adobe bought Macromedia in 2005 for $3.4 billion. Flash&#8217;s growing popularity as a core technology for online video, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Destiny</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-474257</link>
		<dc:creator>Destiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Destiny&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;awesome blog keep updating and you will see us comming back and back.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Destiny</strong></p>
<p>awesome blog keep updating and you will see us comming back and back.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Stuey&#8217;s IWD  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Adobe buys Macromedia!</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10692</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Stuey&#8217;s IWD  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Adobe buys Macromedia!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 04:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hey are behind the times and have missed out on the mobile communications revolution (e.g. Om Malik or Genuine VC) 	so that the combined company can compete with Microsoft in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hey are behind the times and have missed out on the mobile communications revolution (e.g. Om Malik or Genuine VC) 	so that the combined company can compete with Microsoft in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Read/Write Web</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10691</link>
		<dc:creator>Read/Write Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Web 2.0 Weekly Wrap-up, 18-24 Apr 2005&lt;/strong&gt;

This week: Macrobe/Adobemedia, sports RSS feeds, Google and Yahoo MojoWatch, Mobile
Web 2.0 woes, Dan Gillmor's Web 3.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Web 2.0 Weekly Wrap-up, 18-24 Apr 2005</strong></p>
<p>This week: Macrobe/Adobemedia, sports RSS feeds, Google and Yahoo MojoWatch, Mobile<br />
Web 2.0 woes, Dan Gillmor&#8217;s Web 3.0.</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10690</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey JD look forward to that beer and lets plan on getting together when possible. drop me a note so i can get in touch. best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey JD look forward to that beer and lets plan on getting together when possible. drop me a note so i can get in touch. best</p>
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		<title>By: JD on MX</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10689</link>
		<dc:creator>JD on MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blogging during acquisition, 5&lt;/strong&gt;

Blogging during acquisition, 5: Products vs technology... the Webweavers thread below is about a product, and the link to Om Malik here is more about the underlying technologies and social trends, yet I'm not as comfortable talking about this as I was...</description>
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<p>Blogging during acquisition, 5: Products vs technology&#8230; the Webweavers thread below is about a product, and the link to Om Malik here is more about the underlying technologies and social trends, yet I&#8217;m not as comfortable talking about this as I was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Bloom</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10688</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roland Tanglao's how can you say that we dont need Flash when we have Laszlo? Doesnt Laszlo use Flash as its UI layer?

These large companies may not be creating the newest most cutting edge programs and utilities, but its kind of silly to dismiss them.

-Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roland Tanglao&#8217;s how can you say that we dont need Flash when we have Laszlo? Doesnt Laszlo use Flash as its UI layer?</p>
<p>These large companies may not be creating the newest most cutting edge programs and utilities, but its kind of silly to dismiss them.</p>
<p>-Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Chris4d</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10687</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris4d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and how are iPhoto and Picasa even remotely related to Photoshop, Illustrator, VersionCue, etc.?

I got it! I was missing the point completely.  You want Macro/Adobe to write new programs, to keep up with trends in technology.  You think that if they don't compete with iPhoto, Flickr, etc., then they'll somehow fade into the background and never be important again.  But you're wrong-- Adobe doesn't need to compete with new "killer apps" on the forefront of technology trends.

Adobe/Macromedia has focused on one sector -- professional and semi-professional design.  They have virtually no competition in this sector, just like Microsoft has virtually no competition for Word, Excel, and so on.  If Microsoft and Adobe/Macromedia are thusly dinosaurs, then I'd like you to tell me when they will become extinct.  I'll be waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and how are iPhoto and Picasa even remotely related to Photoshop, Illustrator, VersionCue, etc.?</p>
<p>I got it! I was missing the point completely.  You want Macro/Adobe to write new programs, to keep up with trends in technology.  You think that if they don&#8217;t compete with iPhoto, Flickr, etc., then they&#8217;ll somehow fade into the background and never be important again.  But you&#8217;re wrong&#8211; Adobe doesn&#8217;t need to compete with new &#8220;killer apps&#8221; on the forefront of technology trends.</p>
<p>Adobe/Macromedia has focused on one sector &#8212; professional and semi-professional design.  They have virtually no competition in this sector, just like Microsoft has virtually no competition for Word, Excel, and so on.  If Microsoft and Adobe/Macromedia are thusly dinosaurs, then I&#8217;d like you to tell me when they will become extinct.  I&#8217;ll be waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris4d</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10686</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris4d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry if I just sound argumentative, I guess I didn't make my point clearly.  I don't think that Adobe or Macromedia are companies focused exclusively on output for the web.  And there's always going to be a great big world out there for print media, broadcast media, and so on -- especially in the business world, not just for consumer use.  I'm sure that the "web 2.0" concept promises very exciting changes in the way we digest media, but it will be decades, at least, before electronic media begins to supplant print media in its more traditional roles.  Can you imagine a library of congress that exists _only_ in a digital format?  Any university library?  Any of the myriad of event flyers, concert posters, billboards, and banners that are ubiquitous in any decent-sized city?  When do you think that digital business cards will become more popular than actual paper cards -- they've been talking about it for 10 years, yet business card companies and the people who design them (on Adobe software) are doing just fine.

But let me respond even more directly to the issue: I think you'll agree that Adobe and Macromedia design software that design professionals use.  What can you imagine might replace Adobe and Macromedia in this role?  It's true that content management systems do some of the things that dreamweaver does, and do it better even.  But do you actually design the web site on a server-side application?  No, you do it on Dreamweaver.

Imagine that there was a server-hosted application (or even a client-side script download) that had all of the features required to design and test web sites, the way that dreamweaver does.  How fast do you think such a program would run?  What's the point of clogging those pretty broadband pipelines with Ajax scripts, or worse, PHP, and all the associated HTTP traffic, when there's no need for a server-based solution?  A machine-specific, pre-compiled executable will always be more efficient.  Why send data over hundreds or thousands of miles of wire when it's six inches from your desktop's hard drive to its processor?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.  Are all of our laptops and desktops destined to become thin clients for server-hosted apps?  Why bother when PCs are becoming so powerful?  If I run a graphic design firm, it's silly to think that I would go to http://photo-edit.com and pay $50 a month for a slow server-hosted photo editing program.

I guess I don't see how Adobe/Macromedia is obsolete.  At all.  I'm racking my brains, trying to think of how I could get by without Adobe software.  Use GIMP?  Please.  And how would I create my portfolios, without InDesign (or Quark, which I'm sure you'd also call a dinosaur).  All the advertisements at the top of each page on your site, you think they would be as easy to make, or as cheap, without adobe?  Everywhere I look, I see Adobe and Macromedia, and I don't see a new paradigm coming to replace that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I just sound argumentative, I guess I didn&#8217;t make my point clearly.  I don&#8217;t think that Adobe or Macromedia are companies focused exclusively on output for the web.  And there&#8217;s always going to be a great big world out there for print media, broadcast media, and so on &#8212; especially in the business world, not just for consumer use.  I&#8217;m sure that the &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; concept promises very exciting changes in the way we digest media, but it will be decades, at least, before electronic media begins to supplant print media in its more traditional roles.  Can you imagine a library of congress that exists _only_ in a digital format?  Any university library?  Any of the myriad of event flyers, concert posters, billboards, and banners that are ubiquitous in any decent-sized city?  When do you think that digital business cards will become more popular than actual paper cards &#8212; they&#8217;ve been talking about it for 10 years, yet business card companies and the people who design them (on Adobe software) are doing just fine.</p>
<p>But let me respond even more directly to the issue: I think you&#8217;ll agree that Adobe and Macromedia design software that design professionals use.  What can you imagine might replace Adobe and Macromedia in this role?  It&#8217;s true that content management systems do some of the things that dreamweaver does, and do it better even.  But do you actually design the web site on a server-side application?  No, you do it on Dreamweaver.</p>
<p>Imagine that there was a server-hosted application (or even a client-side script download) that had all of the features required to design and test web sites, the way that dreamweaver does.  How fast do you think such a program would run?  What&#8217;s the point of clogging those pretty broadband pipelines with Ajax scripts, or worse, PHP, and all the associated HTTP traffic, when there&#8217;s no need for a server-based solution?  A machine-specific, pre-compiled executable will always be more efficient.  Why send data over hundreds or thousands of miles of wire when it&#8217;s six inches from your desktop&#8217;s hard drive to its processor?</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m misunderstanding your point.  Are all of our laptops and desktops destined to become thin clients for server-hosted apps?  Why bother when PCs are becoming so powerful?  If I run a graphic design firm, it&#8217;s silly to think that I would go to  (<a href="http://photo-edit.com" rel="nofollow">link</a>)  and pay $50 a month for a slow server-hosted photo editing program.</p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see how Adobe/Macromedia is obsolete.  At all.  I&#8217;m racking my brains, trying to think of how I could get by without Adobe software.  Use GIMP?  Please.  And how would I create my portfolios, without InDesign (or Quark, which I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d also call a dinosaur).  All the advertisements at the top of each page on your site, you think they would be as easy to make, or as cheap, without adobe?  Everywhere I look, I see Adobe and Macromedia, and I don&#8217;t see a new paradigm coming to replace that.</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10685</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chris ... i am not sure i am saying they are unsuccessful. i think your role and usage of their software shows that they were might successful in the last generation of technology and now this one which is more web centric and broadband enabled. just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chris &#8230; i am not sure i am saying they are unsuccessful. i think your role and usage of their software shows that they were might successful in the last generation of technology and now this one which is more web centric and broadband enabled. just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Chris4d</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10684</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris4d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an architecture/urban planning/design student in my last year of college.  I'm actively involved in the community, and I've been to many design firms.  I have never -- NEVER -- come across a firm who doesn't use adobe and/or macromedia products for essential everyday production.  Every computer I've ever used -- my personal computers, PCs and Macs at school, etc. etc. -- has had Adobe and Macromedia software installed.  All of it was bought and paid for.  Where is your evidence that Adobe and Macromedia aren't successful software developers?  Where is your evidence that they are struggling in a market which I see them dominating?  What makes you think that they won't continue to dominate the market when the closest competitors are years away from matching their feature set?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an architecture/urban planning/design student in my last year of college.  I&#8217;m actively involved in the community, and I&#8217;ve been to many design firms.  I have never &#8212; NEVER &#8212; come across a firm who doesn&#8217;t use adobe and/or macromedia products for essential everyday production.  Every computer I&#8217;ve ever used &#8212; my personal computers, PCs and Macs at school, etc. etc. &#8212; has had Adobe and Macromedia software installed.  All of it was bought and paid for.  Where is your evidence that Adobe and Macromedia aren&#8217;t successful software developers?  Where is your evidence that they are struggling in a market which I see them dominating?  What makes you think that they won&#8217;t continue to dominate the market when the closest competitors are years away from matching their feature set?</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Tanglao's Weblog</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10683</link>
		<dc:creator>Roland Tanglao's Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Adobe + Macromedia = Web 1.0 dinosaur - Web 2.0 mammals are appearing&lt;/strong&gt;

Go Om go! Other than Photoshop (which I can live without) and Flash (and who needs Flash when we have Laszlo), Adobe and Macromedia's tools are irrelevant to me. What matters in this Web 2.0 world is tools like Laszlo,...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Adobe + Macromedia = Web 1.0 dinosaur - Web 2.0 mammals are appearing</strong></p>
<p>Go Om go! Other than Photoshop (which I can live without) and Flash (and who needs Flash when we have Laszlo), Adobe and Macromedia&#8217;s tools are irrelevant to me. What matters in this Web 2.0 world is tools like Laszlo,&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Britt</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10682</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction was to start looking for alternatives to any Adobe or Macromedia application. It's going to take a while for any major change to happen, and by then they will be even further behind the times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction was to start looking for alternatives to any Adobe or Macromedia application. It&#8217;s going to take a while for any major change to happen, and by then they will be even further behind the times.</p>
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		<title>By: kottke.org</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10681</link>
		<dc:creator>kottke.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Adobe Macromedia acquisition roundup&lt;/strong&gt;

As you might expect from a story with design, media, and technology angles, Adobe's impending acquisition of Macromedia has resulted in much reaction from a big chunk of the blogosphere. Here are what some technologists, designers, and pundits have ha...</description>
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<p>As you might expect from a story with design, media, and technology angles, Adobe&#8217;s impending acquisition of Macromedia has resulted in much reaction from a big chunk of the blogosphere. Here are what some technologists, designers, and pundits have ha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Om Malik</title>
		<link>http://gigaom.com/2005/04/18/adobmedia/#comment-10680</link>
		<dc:creator>Om Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 05:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rich media is not going to work in the long run. rich media is thinking from an Internet 1.0 perspective. macromedia is treating phones as a pc extension. wait till this thing doesn't work, and when network realities meet handset feature overkill and we will have problems. i think these guys are going to realize that pretty soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rich media is not going to work in the long run. rich media is thinking from an Internet 1.0 perspective. macromedia is treating phones as a pc extension. wait till this thing doesn&#8217;t work, and when network realities meet handset feature overkill and we will have problems. i think these guys are going to realize that pretty soon!</p>
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