Comments on: The Voice over IP Insurrection http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/ Trusted Insights and Conversations on the Next Wave of Technology Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:54:58 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Voice Over IP – VoIP Reviews; Voice Over IP Reviews, Best VoIP Service « Voice Over IP http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955990 Voice Over IP – VoIP Reviews; Voice Over IP Reviews, Best VoIP Service « Voice Over IP Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:55:26 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955990 [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...] [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...]

]]> By: Voice Over IP – Voice Over IP Telephony « Voice Over IP http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955968 Voice Over IP – Voice Over IP Telephony « Voice Over IP Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:54:20 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955968 [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...] [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...]

]]> By: Voice Over IP – Voice over IP Protocols for voice transmission « Voice Over IP http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955796 Voice Over IP – Voice over IP Protocols for voice transmission « Voice Over IP Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:47:53 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955796 [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...] [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...]

]]> By: Voice Over IP – VoIP Protocols « Voice Over IP http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955265 Voice Over IP – VoIP Protocols « Voice Over IP Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:33:31 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-955265 [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...] [...] The Voice over IP Insurrection Daniel Berninger, an old friend, a seriously smart guy and VoIP guru of sorts, and more recently senior analyst, for [...]

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]]> By: skibare http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3643 skibare Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3643 WOW--sometimes it DOES PAY to read these blogs.........as a large investor in Level3, I am not sure to cheer or run for the hills and come back in 10 years and '"SEE"" what works out in this RailRoad Driven PSTN market.............. WHO will win this ""VOIP WEAPONS OF MASS DIALING""" WAR?????? My company is named ""VoipNuke''' and its NO accident it got its name when ""Voip WMD's'''' start really flying , my mantra is """"When you SEE the FLASH(VZ), It will be too late'''' Skibare WOW–sometimes it DOES PAY to read these blogs………as a large investor in Level3, I am not sure to cheer or run for the hills and come back in 10 years and ‘”SEE”" what works out in this RailRoad Driven PSTN market…………..

WHO will win this “”VOIP WEAPONS OF MASS DIALING”"” WAR?????? My company is named “”VoipNuke”’ and its NO accident it got its name when “”Voip WMD’s”” start really flying , my mantra is “”"”When you SEE the FLASH(VZ), It will be too late””

Skibare

]]> By: Spiritwoman http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3644 Spiritwoman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3644 Few have heard of CHAMPION Communications yet. When the word is breathed on Wall Street, we will then see who and what will be turning Technology upside down. Few have heard of CHAMPION Communications yet. When the word is breathed on Wall Street, we will then see who and what will be turning Technology upside down.

]]> By: Aswath http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3645 Aswath Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3645 Not to distract from the main points of this article, I have a coiple of questions: As early as 1989, AT&T Network Systems had developed a product that packetized voice and carried on Frame Relay network. It did voice activity detection and also had a mechanism for intermediate nodes drop "tails" of the packets in response to congested network. Granted it is not VoIP and it was designed as a transmission product. Does this qualify as a "project addressing the use of data networks to transport voice"? I didn't know that the real bill for True Voice was $800M. As I recall AT&T took out ads asking the public to try it. Surely the careful engineers at AT&T would have tested it before rolling the feature out. In my undersstanding the problem was that the feature depended on capabilites in segments of the connection that is outside AT&T control. An analogous situation arises in IP network as well. AT&T CallVantage claims that it carries voice in QoS enabled network, still it does not control one or both the tails of the connection. Not to distract from the main points of this article, I have a coiple of questions: As early as 1989, AT&T Network Systems had developed a product that packetized voice and carried on Frame Relay network. It did voice activity detection and also had a mechanism for intermediate nodes drop “tails” of the packets in response to congested network. Granted it is not VoIP and it was designed as a transmission product. Does this qualify as a “project addressing the use of data networks to transport voice”?

I didn’t know that the real bill for True Voice was $800M. As I recall AT&T took out ads asking the public to try it. Surely the careful engineers at AT&T would have tested it before rolling the feature out. In my undersstanding the problem was that the feature depended on capabilites in segments of the connection that is outside AT&T control. An analogous situation arises in IP network as well. AT&T CallVantage claims that it carries voice in QoS enabled network, still it does not control one or both the tails of the connection.

]]> By: Om http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3646 Om Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3646 Aswath, I think this is something I have heard about - consumers completely rejected it and it was one of those bone headed moves by Joe Nacchio, which i discovered only after I had writeen broadbandits. Such a shame though. Wish I knew about this earlier. I Aswath, I think this is something I have heard about – consumers completely rejected it and it was one of those bone headed moves by Joe Nacchio, which i discovered only after I had writeen broadbandits. Such a shame though. Wish I knew about this earlier. I

]]> By: Michael D http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3647 Michael D Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3647 AT&T should burn in hell and die. Who needs companies anymore that have CEO's making 6 digits when local small business which increases competition works just as well? AT&T should burn in hell and die. Who needs companies anymore that have CEO’s making 6 digits when local small business which increases competition works just as well?

]]> By: Douglass Turner http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3648 Douglass Turner Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3648 Hello, As I often do when I hear yet another person detail the demise of the telcoms, would Mr. Berninger bring us all up to speed on how the mobile operators will meet there demise as well? Please keep the hand waving to a minimum. Cheers, Douglass Turner voice/sms: +354 895 5077 Hello,

As I often do when I hear yet another person detail the demise of the telcoms, would Mr. Berninger bring us all up to speed on how the mobile operators will meet there demise as well? Please keep the hand waving to a minimum.

Cheers,
Douglass Turner
voice/sms: +354 895 5077

]]> By: EsmeV http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3649 EsmeV Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3649 Mobile operators will meet their "demise" with Wi-Fi/Wimax when people have alternatives to calling and downloading data other than the meter-them-to-death cellular networks. The cellular business model relies heavily on billing by the minute or with data, getting people to purchase expensive data bundles that charge you by the number of MB downloaded. It's the old metering system and their organizations are built around that. The cash cow of the moment should have been 3G. But it's not working as planned. Why? Who wants to pay six euros or more per MB? And how many MBs have you already consumed this month? You'll never know till you get that horrible bill. Very customer unfriendly. They did not see the rise of Wi-Fi which is becoming more and more available. And now with Skype and other voice apps available on portable devices, we can see it coming. Mobile operators will meet their “demise” with Wi-Fi/Wimax when people have alternatives to calling and downloading data other than the meter-them-to-death cellular networks. The cellular business model relies heavily on billing by the minute or with data, getting people to purchase expensive data bundles that charge you by the number of MB downloaded. It’s the old metering system and their organizations are built around that. The cash cow of the moment should have been 3G. But it’s not working as planned. Why? Who wants to pay six euros or more per MB? And how many MBs have you already consumed this month? You’ll never know till you get that horrible bill. Very customer unfriendly. They did not see the rise of Wi-Fi which is becoming more and more available. And now with Skype and other voice apps available on portable devices, we can see it coming.

]]> By: hey http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3650 hey Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3650 VoIP is coming!!! Why is this news? VoIP is coming!!! Why is this news?

]]> By: chris holland http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3651 chris holland Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3651 Daniel and Om, thank you for this very thorough and insanely informative article. It sheds a great deal of light on regulatory-related frustrations I recently posted about on my blog, from the poorly-informed standpoint of an end-user. You've earned yet another faithful reader :) Daniel and Om, thank you for this very thorough and insanely informative article. It sheds a great deal of light on regulatory-related frustrations I recently posted about on my blog, from the poorly-informed standpoint of an end-user. You’ve earned yet another faithful reader :)

]]> By: Daniel Berninger http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3652 Daniel Berninger Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3652 Aswath had some questions: No - Voice Over Frame Relay does not count. The operative issue is benefits to end users ala Internet not internal PSTN efficiency. We could wait another 100 years and VoIP would not get "invented" at Bell Labs. I was on the first team at to react to VoIP and there existed useful elements around the labs that came together as a VoIP solution relatively quickly (during 1995), but Bell Labs was tasked to improve the PSTN not make it obsolete. AT&T did not publish a price tag on TrueVoice. I am publishing here first from direct sources that shall remain anonymous. Nothing about the feature depended on things outside of AT&T's control unless you mean at customer premise. AT&T assumed customer premise equipment performed uniformly as per specifications. Wrong. AT&T could not sufficiently test the feature. All of these challenges and problems were due to the nature of the PSTN. Aswath had some questions:

No – Voice Over Frame Relay does not count. The operative issue is benefits to end users ala Internet not internal PSTN efficiency. We could wait another 100 years and VoIP would not get “invented” at Bell Labs. I was on the first team at to react to VoIP and there existed useful elements around the labs that came together as a VoIP solution relatively quickly (during 1995), but Bell Labs was tasked to improve the PSTN not make it obsolete.

AT&T did not publish a price tag on TrueVoice. I am publishing here first from direct sources that shall remain anonymous. Nothing about the feature depended on things outside of AT&T’s control unless you mean at customer
premise. AT&T assumed customer premise equipment performed uniformly as per
specifications. Wrong. AT&T could not sufficiently test the feature. All of these challenges and problems were due to the nature of the PSTN.

]]> By: OH21 http://gigaom.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3653 OH21 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://gigaom.wordpress.com/2004/09/19/the-voice-over-ip-insurrection/#comment-3653 USA the Corporate Welfare State. The Telco sector is not the only part. In 1997 the FCC was auctioning spectrum for G2-Cell and WLL for home, and most of US stayed adicted to wire. Recently 2004 more spectrum was handed out by the FCC to telcos for G3-Cell and WLL, but .... I live about 40mi south of NYC, NY, USA, in a builtup heavy populated area, and still cannot get DSL. Oil, agri-biz, or alternative fuels ... Drugs and Stemcell research one discovers ways to manage illness, one may create permanent cures which does Corporate Welfare America want. Outsource middle-class/IT jobs, sell political favors for money, obtain corporate welfare by paying a politicians special interest (reelect fund) .... USA the Corporate Welfare State. The Telco sector is not the only part. In 1997 the FCC was auctioning spectrum for G2-Cell and WLL for home, and most of US stayed adicted to wire. Recently 2004 more spectrum was handed out by the FCC to telcos for G3-Cell and WLL, but …. I live about 40mi south of NYC, NY, USA, in a builtup heavy populated area, and still cannot get DSL.

Oil, agri-biz, or alternative fuels … Drugs and Stemcell research one discovers ways to manage illness, one may create permanent cures which does Corporate Welfare America want.

Outsource middle-class/IT jobs, sell political favors for money, obtain corporate welfare by paying a politicians special interest (reelect fund) ….

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